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Jos isn't as stupid as people think...he has been very vocal on getting him removed for a significant period of time.

Wasn't the greatest of racing drivers but sure as hell has been a good teacher.

 

‘He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches’ ........ GBS

 

Even Horner cannot hide how the car is by default built for Max based on feedback etc. The evidence is not hard to see as noted here. Good luck Yuki lol. The RedBull is not the VCARB. Its not at all automatic Yuki will be worlds better. Will be interesting to watch. I hope for a dry race to see who is fast and how this unfolds at speed.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/liam-lawson-red-bull-f1-paying-price-for-sergio-perez-failings/
--That the RB21 appears to have gone even more towards what Verstappen needs, at the expense of a team-mate who perhaps does not like things that way, is not something that Red Bull has done consciously.

However, it is almost certainly a consequence of the fact that over the four years that Perez was sat alongside Verstappen at Red Bull, his technical feedback was nowhere near as comprehensive and insightful as the four-time world champion's.

So, when it came to debriefs, or engineering meetings, or car planning chats, it was obvious that Red Bull's technical team would listen to the side of the garage that was offering the greatest detail, the best feedback and was also producing the best results.

Horner himself has admitted that development directions have had an impact on the performance swings between drivers, but that is not such an unusual thing to understand.

"If I think back to the beginning of '22, we had quite a stable car with quite a bit of understeer in it, which obviously Max hates," he said.

"We had an upgrade in Spain where we put a lot more front into the car and Max made a big step forward, and Checo sort of nosedived from that point.

"So you've got to produce the quickest car and you're driven by the information that you have and the data that you have.

"As a team, we don't set out to make a car driver-centric, you just work on the info that you have and the feedback you have to produce the fastest car that you can. And that's obviously served us very well, with 122 victories."

 

Your quote and Horners' directly contradict each other.

These tweets from Ex F1 engineer, fluid dynamic tech and motorsport engineers explain it very well:

Dr Obbs on X: "I’ve tried to explain this same thing to people. Hell I’ve even had chats with RBR aeros, and aeros from other teams, and they all say the same thing. You design the best car you can that gives you the best numbers. You don’t even consider the driver until they drive it and start" / X

 

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t6fLlAqG-lY?feature=share

 

From the horses mouth.

 

Designing a car around your star driver's preferences is nothing new. RBR designs around Max. Ferrari designed around Schumacher. I recall him wanting a very stiff car that was extremely reactive. It sounds similar to what Max wants, a very positive front end. His teammates couldn't get on top of it. Mercedes designed around Lewis. Lewis by his own words likes a very balanced car. I would assume one that is predictable and not on a knifes edge. This type of car is what most drivers want which I think is why Bottas, Russell, and Rosberg all did fairly well in it. I think if Lewis drove the RBR, he would find it pretty much undriveable too.

It's nice to finally hear Horner admit it. We all knew it. They have computer simulators that tell them what aero balance and what setup and an infinite amount of other variables are the quickest around the track. It doesn't consider if a human can do it. So on one hand RBR may be building the car closer to what the computer says it should be since Max seems to be able to handle that and other drivers can't.

 

McLaren designed it around Senna. He liked his car with front-end loading as well.

 

It's not an issue of who can drive the RB. A top driver will certainly get results with it. Sir Lewis Hamilton , already drove an unbalanced car, there was the "diva" car that he won in, the 2023 car that most here posted about him complaining about the balance, that car was designed using the best aero data. Sir Lewis Hamilton mopped the rest of the non RB drivers with it.
The issue that I hear from Horner is what I stated earlier, they put all the resources into the #1 car and suffer the consequences that follow. That's the RB way. If Max is driving a car that is designed only for him, he should have the upper hand, nobody should be at awe.

 

yeah it's designed for Max, but usually any decent F1 driver can jump in and get say half a second or so. This Red Bull is so slanted to Max that it seems only Max can drive the thing, we'll know better seeing how Yuki can work this thing. If Yuki can drive it then we know Lawson just didn't have it

 

Yeah but the other drivers with lewis could at least drive the thing and get one up on Lewis every once in a while. The Red Bull now looks like a disaster by Max and only for Max. We'll see if Yuki confirms this or not

 

Never ending, pointless discussion.

We'll see with Yuki but what happens when he's **** in that car as well? "Well it's not driver so and so, who should really have gotten the drive." Doesn't matter that before and after facing Max these guys are getting their recognition back.

Maybe, just maybe...it'\s the bloody driver.

 

Let Lance Stroll at it! He will make it dance

 

Yes Sir Lewis Hamilton's team mates are of higher standard than Max's. Having said that Max, does great with a car set up for him and is getting the best results that the team can.

 

Something tells me if they could get him they would lol!!

 

Right now Max can't even get the results he wants. Can't expect Yuki to be on at the front.

 

Max is the difference maker, no question about it. He's closer to a computer simulator than any other driver. The computer says a car with more front end is faster, Max keeps saying he wants more and more front end. A link was posted that states Max wanted more front end in 2022, when he got it, the car got faster and Perez couldn't handle it.

We the fans have not been given the information about all the drivers like we get today. In my time of watching F1, I have never seen a driver want a car that pointy or that far away from the norm. I mentioned hearing about Schumacher wanting a specific car, apparently Senna wanted it too. It seems there is only a handful of drivers that want a car that extreme. How many teammates does Max need to obliterate to get credit? Gasly, Albon, Perez, Ricciardo, and now Lawson. Each and every one of these drivers have proven their worth at some point. Gasly was probably the 3rd best driver of 2021. Albon beat his weak teammates worse than George did (same George that beat LH) and is now beating Sainz (same Sainz that beat Leclerc). Perez was always overrated IMO, but people thought he was a star until he went against Max. Ricciardo beat 4x champ Vettel. Lawson had performances better than DR or Yuki. The difference is Max. They gave Lawson a more balanced setup. He doesn't use the same front wing. The car is fundamentally slower. If it isn't setup to be on the nose like Max likes it, the car is not even the 5th best car. One could make the statement that Max takes a bottom half car and fights for poles and podiums with it. </ragebait>

 

When ? During his time alongside Prost ?
Prost was at McLaren before Senna, and I read he prefered a car understeering slighly.
I would be surprised if the engineers listened to the newcomer rather than the established driver in the team.

 

because the car is a pile of ****. 2nd in standings though, better than 90% of the grid.

 

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Its the car now? The car is a pile of **** now!!? Lol! The car is no where near a pile of *****! You never used the phrase its the car when Max was winning and breaking records! Lol. You guys slowly trying to change back to its the car.... but I'm watching and calling everyone out.

 

I think you should be the one to go back and look. Pretty sure most everyone said the car in 2023 was a dominant one and that they had the best car in the second half of 2022. They had 3rd and even 4th best car the most of the second half of 2024. Typically the 4th best car is considered a junker, though its relevant to the speeds of the car around. The 2025 car is worse. McLaren, Mercedes and Ferrari are absolutely better. If Liam is on the same pace as Yuki give or take, and Yuki and Hadjar can get into Q3 and Lawson is dead last. Just how good is the car?

 

Results are the only data point that matter. MaxBull can blab all they want and nothing will change until the car is better. Max will not be able to drive around weaker non Newey designs with baked in flaws.

 

Red Bull launches new flavour Bitter Kiwi
Apparently it has a Yuki after taste

Via another forum lol