What if Lawson finishes ahead of Yuki?
Three tenths sounds good, but if the car doesn't suit anybody, they are going to be fighting it the whole race. Earlier in the thread somebody mentioned that Bottas did okay against Hamilton because the car was more neutral. I fully agree with that; Bottas could be slower in quali (not always) and when he failed and qualified badly, more often than not, he would go through the field very effectively. With these RB nobody can seem to do that becaase they simply don't trust the car.
It sounds like the junior car is much more drivable and it's likely anyone who isn't Verstappen is going to struggle to get points in the Red Bull, so that's not a crazy thought. It'll be interesting to see where they are relative to one another. All the best, Andrew.
How about 2018 where Max beat DR in points 249 to 170. Then DR was afraid of Max being RB's #1 and left to a much worse team? I would say that qualifies as Max getting the better of DR.
Why would they bother lol. He's not a generational talent or a Honda factory driver at all. He's a Marko issue to deal with. Honda won’t “interfere” with Tsunoda’s F1 future amid Red Bull split
They literally just paid Red Bull 20 million for Yuki to drive for Red Bull. If anything, he's very much a Honda boy (as he has been his entire career).
I do not remember Perez being as far away from Max as Lawson or Tsunoda... Max is on another planet, but the gap is now ridiculous. Tsunoda driver of the day after such a lacklustre performance - only in Japan I guess.
So after 3 races in 2024 - Max 59pts - Perez 49pts Cumulative total = 108pts 2025 - Max 61pts - Tsunoda 0 pts Cumulative total = 61pts
I'm struggling to see who would want that seat anyways. Undrivable for a rookie, and if you are good enough, you still have to beat Max. Which is not going to happen. For Yuki it kinda made sense. Toro Rosso seat was gone for him anyways next year, so might as well take the risk since he's probably off to WEC or something next year.
Tsunoda: "Incredible" how Verstappen can cope with Red Bull F1 car set-up Thats what Perez, Lawson, Ricci, Gasly and Albon said
Yeah, we'll swap them over Seriously, DR made a big mistake moving, SP was ok for a while but he lost it like DR, and now RB are floundering looking for someone Maybe go for Lando, he'll be number 2 in a few more races (I'm an Australian, couldn't expect any better)
I think Max moving several times under braking at Baku lost DR a lot of points and standing in the team I would never have trusted the team after that Webber influenced him to move as he was treated badly by the wannabe Germans but I think Horner was right, he should have stayed and duked it out with Max
FIA aware of McLaren flexi wing footage Jos Verstappen reposted The FIA is aware of social media footage showing McLaren’s rear wing flexing at Suzuka
So Red Bull still has windtunnel corrolation issues. problem is apparently because the windtunnel is so old, it's no insulated properly. So when it's cold, it's unusable. If it's warm, it's unusable. But even throughout the day, because it's so temperature sensitive...run 3 tests, you get 3 different sets of numbers and you don't even know which one is actually correct. New Wind tunnel is only expected to be in use for 2026, so only will affect 2027 car at earliest.
Max began voicing concerns about the car near the end of 2023 (yes, that season), but it fell on deaf ears. I guess to a point Red Bull may have been thinking "what is he complaining about, he's winning by 20 seconds" and the ''perfectionist'' term was thrown around a few times by journos/fans etc. In 2024 his concerns quickly became the reality. RBR switched to an entirely new concept in both 2022 and 2024. 2022 the floor together with the anti dive from Newey made sure they were on top of the situation and it took the rest 1.5 years to catch up. Their 22/23 car reached it's development ceiling and the 2024/25 car is one of those hideously complicated things Newey dreamed up before which don't always work as well as it does on paper/windtunnel. It's setup window is hideously narrow. If anything, Red Bull is noticing the loss of Rob Marshall far more than Newey right now. On their way up to win the 2021 title, the years before they also had a few years of correlation issues with the wind tunnel. The problem they have now though is limited wind tunnel time..
Assessment of current RedBull issues after Bahrain: https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/everything-we-learned-2025-f1-bahrain-grand-prix/ Red Bull's problems run deep Red Bull's shambolic Bahrain Grand Prix brought the team crashing down to earth just one week on from Max Verstappen's Suzuka triumph. And it has perfectly highlighted just how much work it still needs to do with its RB21 if it is going to be able to consistently challenge the benchmark McLaren squad. Some of its Bahrain issues are one-offs, such as the pitstop gantry failure that hurt both Verstappen and Yuki Tsunoda. But some of what it suffered from last weekend is not so easy to fix, especially when it comes to getting on top of its difficult 2025 challenger. While the RB21 has flashes of speed, it is struggling with its through-corner balance - and that means on tracks where tyre temperatures need to be carefully managed it falls out of its narrow operating window. And when it does that, as Tsunoda pointed out over the weekend, it drops off a cliff. The issue appears to be mainly aerodynamic and relates to the shift of balance from front to rear as the car changes direction and speed. But nailing a solution is not easy because the team's windtunnel is not offering it the correlation and consistency it wants for working on such a detailed area. There is no overnight fix for Red Bull's woes. Its best hope is that the track layouts and tyres on the schedule better-suit its package in the future.
So 4 races in: 2024 - Max 85pts - Perez 57pts Cumulative total = 142pts 2025 - Max 69pts - Tsunoda 2pts Cumulative total = 71pts
