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  1. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Hence many calling it racing incident. Max made a mistake clearly coming back over hard right. Max left the line - was going to run wide like Charles did.
     
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  2. Mitch Alsup

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    And yet still managed to hit Lewis' Front tire with his rear.
     
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  3. Bas

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    That's incredible. Max hit Lewis with his rear tyre now?
     
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  4. william

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    It was Max' right rear tyre hitting Lewis' left front tyre, when he cut across,
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    Lewis' left front tyre hitting Max' right rear tyre when he drifted, depending on how you chose to see it.

    It was a racing incident; six of one or half a dozen of the other. Fifty-fifty.
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

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    Exactly what do you think caused Max's car to leap into the air ?
     
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  6. Bas

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    "Max hit Lewis". Your wording. Max being ahead somehow being responsible for the guy attempting to overtaking him crashing into Max. Max gave room, and then some. Lewis missed the apex by a long shot, didn't make the exit of the corner, i.e. he went into the corner too fast and hit max. Not the other way around.

    Unless wording doesn't matter. Then let me rephrase another recent crash. "Hungary was a missed opportunity. Such a shame Norris managed to hit Bottas with his rear diffuser".
     
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  7. Mitch Alsup

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    Max was accelerating while Lewis was decelerating. Had Max not been accelerating there is a good chance the accident would not have happened.

    If you were accelerating while another car was decelerating and there was bodily contact, the police would write you the ticket.
     
  8. Bas

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    A policeman would also write you a ticket for crashing into the back of someone.
     
  9. Mitch Alsup

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    You see, that is the point. The front of Max's rear tire hit the back of Lewis front tire.
     
  10. 375+

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    :rolleyes:
     
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  11. william

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    You could defend yourself if you have a dash camera showing the antics of your accuser.

    Some traffic accidents are provoked as part of a scam to extract money.

    Where have you been recently?
     
  12. Bas

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    Yeah that's about the face I made.
     
  13. jpalmito

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    Funny !;)
     
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    Pre-Sochi 2021 news. Maybe this explains Perez's lack of pace vs Max???

    The F1 engine upgrade Red Bull Honda has secretly been using

    Honda has been using an upgraded battery since the Formula 1 summer break that has yielded better engine and car performance.

    F1 engine manufacturers were allowed to introduce one change of specification between the end of the 2020 season and the end of the 2021 season.

    The Japanese manufacturer overhauled its engine design for 2021 and started the season with a heavily revised internal combustion engine.

    However, Honda started the year with the 2020-specification battery, known in F1 as the energy store.

    As it had not yet changed that component’s specification during the permitted period, it has been allowed to upgrade it during the season.
    Ferrari is planning something similar with its own upgrade within the energy recovery system, likely to be the battery as well.

    Despite being used by Max Verstappen to score victories in Belgium and the Netherlands, Honda’s upgraded component has been kept secret until now.


    The first sign of its existence came at Zandvoort when Red Bull’s Sergio Perez had a set of engine component changes after qualifying.


    Unlike Verstappen, Perez had not switched to a fresh power unit – including the new battery – at Spa.

    The battery was originally scheduled to be introduced in 2022 as part of a brand new Honda power unit.
    But when Red Bull and Honda opted to change all his engine components after a poor qualifying performance at Zandvoort, a strategic decision to get the associated grid penalty out of the way at a lower cost, that meant switching from the old-spec battery to the new one.

    Perez had to start from the pitlane as a result, because parts can only be changed in parc ferme conditions without punishment if they are of the same specification.

    The same thing happened to AlphaTauri driver Pierre Gasly one week later at Monza.

    Honda’s new battery has taken years to develop and is believed to be the first major technology change for the manufacturer in this area since 2015.

    It is said to give improved power unit performance and a “significant” reduction in weight, which contributes to greater chassis performance because it allows for better weight reduction.

    “In what will be the company’s final season in the sport, Honda F1 has managed to introduce the new ES – fitted with a lighter, low-resistance, highly efficient and ultra-high power battery cell – just in time for the start of the second half of the season.

    But that new power unit was fast-tracked and created for 2021 because Honda is leaving F1 at the end of the season.

    It has taken longer to ready the battery element of that power unit though, hence it took until after the summer break to be utilised.

    “This new energy store has been developed in a project that has taken several years, with an aim to combine improvements in energy efficiency with significant reductions in weight,” said Honda F1’s head of power unit development Yasuaki Asaki.


    “In order to achieve the ultimate goal of defeating Mercedes and winning the championship before leaving F1 at the end of the 2021 season, we recognised the need to enhance performance. As such, the development plan for the new ES was brought forward substantially from the original goal of 2022 to introduction during the 2021 season.”

    https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-f1-engine-upgrade-red-bull-honda-has-secretly-been-using/
     
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  15. DF1

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    Prior to the 'secret' upgrade Perez is .4 or slower vs Max.

    Mercedes have similar PU upgrade as well - was out in press yesterday. No aero or chassis upgrades just PU.

    --That is according to the Italian branch of Motorsport.com, where a report has stated the Silver Arrows have ‘decided to take risks on the power unit by raising the turbo overboost and exaggerating the strategies of the hybrid’.--

    Amazed that Honda PU did not allow Max to chase Ricci and pass him at Monza early laps............hmmm
     
  16. Bas

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    The article is worded a bit strange. Does Max have the new unit? Does he have all the components to fully utilize it? Perez a fully new unit now so I think he has the lot.

    If Max does have it already...I'm underwhelmed. Mercedes has made a decent jump in power with their new unit whereas Honda has clearly started to lag behind. Despite running much smaller wings, their top speed is WAY down.
     
  17. DF1

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    Is confusing more than informative.

    I was surprise to see Max unable to really close and pass a Mclaren. That made not much sense if this is now so poweful. Yes better aero for RedBull and maybe Mclaren was just suited to Monza so perfect, but RedBull has been strong. Sochi in the wet I think its more for Redbull, in the dry there is some variability here I think for who is favored. Im all for another Ricci bubbly shoe! LOL :)
     
  18. Bas

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    Another Ricci win will be great for F1.

    Sochi typically a Merc stronghold so logically speaking, their car should be the #1 again this weekend. Track surface, temps and all in their favour.

    In the wet? Anyone's guess lol.
     
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    Or Lando, he's knocking at the door.
     
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  20. Bas

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    absolutely!
     
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    Sergio Pérez wins $2.8 million lawsuit against Mexican oil giant PEMEX for breach of sponsorship contract, which was signed in 2018. The deal was multi-year, but PEMEX failed to pay Pérez during the 2019 season citing "change of priorities".

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  23. DF1

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    LOL!^^^^ - its still a Honda PU -labeled RedBull. Nice so Honda not really leaving!! The second point needs to be reworked to say we are staying and building engines for RedBull in a nice place they made for us. RedBull is building an engine faciltiy for Honda. Thats the complete reality of that. RedBull are not a engine builder at all.
     
  24. Bas

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    Yeah every single person that's even remotely interested in F1 knows that the moment Honda announced they would work with RBR in a transition year in 2022, combined with the regulations that essentially freeze the engines in 2022.
     
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  25. DF1

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    https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/70813/red-bull-engines-to-be-manufactured-in-japan-for-next-two-years/

    Ewan Gale
    Tuesday 12 October 2021 11:50

    Red Bull team principal Christian Horner has labelled the extended partnership with Honda past the end of the year as "great news" for the team and revealed power unit parts will be made in Japan through 2023.

    Despite Honda's withdrawal from F1 at the end of the season, the two parties agreed to a prolonged partnership covering all motorsport activities and the junior programmes for both Red Bull and Honda.


    Red Bull takes over Honda's PU IP for 2022 onwards but had already said the Japanese manufacturer would supply engines from Sakura for the first year of the Red Bull Powertrains initiative.

    Horner has suggested, however, the manufacturing of parts will remain in Japan until at least 2024.
     

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