Red Bull investigate Horner for inappropriate behaviour.

Can you define what is infidelity ? Because I can't. It varies from people to people.

 

Committing an intimate act with another person that your partner would not approve of?

 

But it still rhymes!

 

So now he (Horner) must "explicitly" deny each PART of the allegation to satisfy you?
Call me crazy, but when he denies THE allegation, one would think that includes EVERYTHING.
But I guess not...

Let's see:
200 emails sent
Anonymous google account
No names but Horner's
Yeah....I'm sure this is legit.

 

Yeah...
"In all honesty" you clearly do care.

PS. Using "in all honesty" or "well, to tell you the truth" is a sure fire sign that honesty/truth are NOT what's coming.

PPS. As Bas pointed out, you clearly don't understand what an independent barrister does. What he/she DOESN'T do is come to a pre-determined answer. The word "independent" is your clue here.

 

Is sending saucy text messages covered by that definition ? It's not really intimate, is it ?
Some would see it only good banting fun. It depends in which context it's done.
Also, some people are very open about their partner flirting, watching porn or even more.
So you see there are no real definition of infidelity.

 

The anonymity that the person or persons doing all this emailing, AI generating, etc is what everyone SHOULD be looking at....
The only name being trashed here is Christian Horner.
Why isn't anyone in the media (or much less this forum) asking/demanding that the accuser/accusers step forward and face the same level of scrutiny/public shaming/innuendo that Horner has had to face?

 

This "affair" happened in a domain as highly mediatised as F1, and could make a good Netflix episode maybe ?
Apart that it affects the principal of a top team, this is usually the bread and butter of the gutter press.
F1 has reached a new low.

 

Oh C'mon. F1 reached its low with Mosley (and Balestre and his antics). This is nothing in comparison. The guy's obviously a pig but I don't really care. It just aggravates me that they think grid girls are sexist but want to brush this under the rug. Pure hypocrisy.

 

What Max Mosley did that was wrong ?
Sado masochism may offend the prude, but it isn't illegal, AFAIK.

 

Nawww. It's not wrong for a prominent F1 official to dress up like a Nazi, pay his hookers to dress up like concentration camp victims and play sex games. Anyone who thinks that is obviously just a prude. I mean who cares what he represents and what his family history is? Perfectly acceptable behavior for someone in his position. Besides people need to get over the swastika- they're just being fuddy duddies.

But grid girls. Now that would be wrong. We can't have scantily clad young women at F1 races. That would be despicable. Revolting. Loathsome. Abhorrent. Cover your eyes and save the children.

 

the “victim” clearly did not want Horners grubby like hands on her, but she did participate in the sex phone calls.

 

If specifically asked about the leaked text messages then yes he should specifically deny them. Being coy about it does nothing for him except suggest guilt of wrong doing.

Why are you so set on dismissing that maybe he did something wrong?

Inappropriate behavior was the official wording. There was an investigation done by a third party. We now have screenshots of text messages. None of this qualifies as proof of wrong doing, instead it's all fabricated and fake?

You know who don't get caught in controversies? Those that do nothing wrong.

 

I would absolutely say his requests, comments and actions qualify as intimately crossing the line. The key part of it, does his wife disapprove with it? Most people would not be happy with their partners asking for nudes or getting off on someone else behind their backs.

 

I think the victim played Horny like a toy. He walked right into it and thought with the wrong head. Just plain stupid IMO.

BTW if any of your wives or SO's would just let you off the hook for crap like this please let me know. And send me their pictures and phone numbers.

 

DTS was apparently on a down trend - now there's hope for more money to come in, I suppose everyone involved is trying to maximize his share
Just to be clear, I do not think there is some plan - (unfortunately) no people are smart enough to mastermind any plan; however opportunistic moves are natural...

 

It was revealed in court, that the Nazi connotation was added by the tabloid that reported a private SM session where Max Mosley took part. No law was in fact broken by the participants, and no Nazi uniforms were worn.
This episode was widely published including the crude exageration you mention, to damage the reputation of an individual probably as part of a plot to unseat him from the Presidency of the FIA.
Later Mosley sued the newspaper for invasion of privacy, and won his case. The law was changed as a result.

I don't think this has any relation with ending the grid girls, which is a totally different issue.
The fact that F1 is now visiting 6 Muslim countries, and the FIA President is from the Middle East could be the reason behind that move. It was Liberty, a US company, that decided it.

 

Most people, but NOT all people !!

 

It's a simple case of entrapment, IMO, and Horner fell for it, apparently.

 

I think i've been very clear about IF his wife disapproves. If they have some sort of kink then whatever, that's their business. Whatever conversations or actions happen within their marriage is none of our business, even though the tabloids will be sure to less us know.

Regardless if the Horner's are into that sort of thing, the victim clearly wasn't.

 

I can't define it either but I know it when I see it

Asking (let alone hounding) anyone other than your sig other for nude pics and details on what they're wearing, esp one that you know personally? Yup.
Telling them you wanted them to jerk you off, and that you jerked yourself off, while thinking about them, in an airplane bathroom? ha!

If the messages/interractions were between Horner and someone not involved in F1 I'd 100% agree that this matter has nothing to do with his job, although they'd still show that Horner is a creep with basically no game.
But if they were between Horner and his PA it's a huge problem.
Pressuring a lower level employee for personal relations is ******** and a undeniable, negative reflection on one's character.

The "AI" argument rings hollow - someone would need fairly sophisticated knowledge of AI AND have the email addresses of all the top F1 players. Much more likely they're legit.

 

Jeezuz William you really wanna put yourself in the position of defending Moseley? You think there aren't pictures? You think he left F1 because he did the right thing? ME countries didn't want him anywhere near their borders. Even his best friend Bernie wanted him gone.

In the court of public opinion he's one of the biggest F1 losers ever.

And here you are spouting his own legalities and splitting hairs. As If anything that's "legal"- to paraphrase if not quote you- is A-OK.

Wow. You'd be much better off sticking up for Horny.

And FWIW that wasn't entrapment. Nowhere near. She didn't have to set him up and he sniffed her like a lost dog. A horny lost dog.

I'm not sure why you want to defend these sickos but have at it. It'll be fun to watch.

 

How many side steps and rejections does it take to go from being uncomfortable to entrapment?

Assuming the screenshots are real, she told him to stop many times. I've already said she isn't miss innocent, but the whole thing isn't some set up against Horner. Once the lawyers got involved, then it became about building a case. I would assume the screenshots are extremely biased, but they don't exactly show her eliciting him to say and do inappropriate things. She definitely played along throughout the whole thing though, and thus to me it's clear why it would be dismissed.

 

Was she really the victim, a willing participant, or even the instigator ? That's the question.

I start to think Horner was set up, and fell for it like a teenager. He isn't the first one either.

Like says a woman I knew: "Men, all B*****ks, no brain!"

 

What have you seen that supports this claim?

The messages I read included numerous instances of the female telling him to stop, think of his wife/kids, go to sleep etc.
Whatever she may have done to encourage any personal relations, calling it "a simple case of entrapment" at this stage feels like baseless victim blaming.