'Red Bull's commitment has limits'

If the Bull did flow less then 100kg/hr, then crown Vet a 5 x WDC and lets be done with it.

 

That crossed my mind too. Pretty much every 'sensor' I've encountered needs checking and calibrating on a pretty regular basis. (Florian?) Should be pretty simple to put it on the test bed and run it thru it's paces.....

I did read that Gill Sensors (the supplier) are pissed that it's being questioned. IIRC, they claim something like 0.2% accuracy for >99% of the little suckers, with the remainder within 1%.

I guess we'll find out in April!

Cheers,
Ian

 

Red Bull will supply their data showing they never flowed greater than 100kg/h BUT the problem is that it is THEIR privately written data which is in no way controlled by the Fia therefore it can be 100% fraudulent. That is specifically why the Fia mandated the use of standard Gill sensors.

 

As we've learned, the strict rules of evidence (and logic) don't necessarily apply in these matters.
Perhaps this time these practices will serve justice.

 

As I've heard it, Gill are the standard on planet earth for ultrasonic flow sensors with infinitely more experience than the likes of red bull. For red bull to state their sensor from Gill is 'junk' which is in essence what they're getting at is utter blasphemy. Red Bull think they're found a legal loophole and are trying to get away with it. Another disgusting display from this team IMO.

 

If they try that they would exclude themselves from the podium for the next 5 years

 

That's not very nice --- blaming Renault.

 

After pre-season testing and Melborne, Renault power looks like garbage this year:

• STR-Renault is their highest finishing team and the only one scoring points (8th and 9th places, 6 points total).
• Lotus-Renault 15th (DNF, powerplant failure) and 16th (DNF, powerplant failure), with Julien Barbieux the Renault Sport F1 team support leader saying: "After such a difficult built up to the race it was some sort of plus to get two cars to just under half distance, but shows we are still not at the level we want."
• Caterham Renault 17th (DNF, engine oil pressure dropped) and 21st (Crash, Energy Recovery Brakes failed)
• Red Bull Racing-Renault 18th (DNF, engine) and 22nd (Disqualified, excessive fuel consumption).

As for other engine suppliers:

• Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes): DNF, engine failure.
• Felipe Massa (Mercedes): DNF, hit by Kobayashi (Renault crash DNF).

An overwhelming number of problems were experienced by Renault-powered cars and Renault themselves have admitted that they are behind the curve for engine development - going so far as to predict reliability issues in Malaysia too. In that light, and given their immense success in delivering outstanding aero packages in previous seasons, it seems a reasonable comment from Red Bull to lay blame upon the Renault engine.

It's pretty bad when the Renault representatives are trying to put a positive spin on almost completing half race distance for some of their engine clients.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

I can't help thinking that's another 'tongue in cheek', or taken out of context, quote TBH.

He may be an arrogant SOB, but I'm sure he's way too smart to really believe they could do their own PU today.

Renault are for sure on the back foot, but hopefully they don't take their ball and quit like some other major manufacturers in the recent past.....

F1 is hard, particularly with these new rules. Exactly as it should be IMO.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Well, I think they'd rather have the good publicity from Ricciardo being reinstated to 2nd place at his home GP

 

There was a thread in Silver that went along the lines of; If you had more money than common sense what would you buy ?

I think this is the perfect answer.

 

Fuel flow sensor to be scrapped? - Pitpass.com

SO much for Red Bull being the villains. Doing the paddock a favor id say!!--Hopefully not an April fools article!

The FIA is understood to be close to scrapping its controversial fuel flow sensor. It's understood the sport's governing body and team technical representatives met over the weekend to discuss concerns over the fuel flow sensor with a reinterpretation of fuel usage regulations (almost) unanimously decided.

Designed to ensure teams do not use more than the allowed 100kg of fuel per race, or 100kg per hour, the FIA homologated a sensor which it could monitor in real time. However since it was implemented at the start of winter testing it has been found that there is 'noise' in the signal the sensor provides, leaving it open to criticism and (mis)interpretation.

Nowhere was that more evident than on Daniel Ricciardo's Red Bull during the Australian Grand Prix when the team trusted its own calculations over readings given by an 'erroneous' sensor. It was a decision which saw Ricciardo excluded, a point the Milton Keynes squad has appealed though not without leaving a rather unsavoury taste in the mouth just as new 'green' technologies look to revolutionise the sport.

However it has now come to light that, following the meeting at Sepang, the FIA has all but succumbed to concerns from within the paddock and even as early as this weekend's Bahrain Grand Prix the fuel flow sensor could be scrapped with teams instead required to provide calculations and data upon request from the stewards.


Bizarrely, and in a true Formula One twist, the reinterpretation does Red Bull's ongoing appeal no favours as the new interpretation does not come in to affect until the Bahrain Grand Prix this weekend. Consequently, Ricciardo's car remains non-compliant as it did not conform to the technical regulations in place for the Australian Grand Prix. As a result Red Bull will still be forced to prove it adhered to the fuel flow sensor regulations in order to win its appeal despite the fact that by that time (April 14) the rule will probably no longer be in force.

Mat Coch