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  1. staatsof

    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    Have any of you guys done a dye job on leather that has "some" grain in it and had the grain just become obliterated as in filled in by the dye?
     
  2. The Kook Abides

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    Are you spraying it with an airbrush or brushing it on?

    What product are you using?
     
  3. staatsof

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    Some of it I'm having done - rear seats. The rest of the interior will get done over time so I don't know how that will be done as yet but yes I'm thinking of an air brush for the areas that aren't very worn. I used Leatherique to condition the seats that are being re-dyed. They were really in excellent shape but I wanted to make certain I got them as conditioned as possible before the refinish. My interior guy likes the dye from that place in PA I forget the name now. I don't think there's really all that much difference. Both front seats and one rear seat bottom cushion will be new. A new shift boot and a parking brake boot as well.

    The thing is that so far the samples of leather have almost no grain whereas my original varies from having some gran to almost smooth. It looks very natural. The samples look like modern Cadillac leather. He suggested that the grain I have now will disappear anyway when I dye it. I'm not doing a color change. In fact the original color has darkened a bit and I kind of like how it has so I make just go with new leather that's very close to that color and then dye everything else to match which will be only a slight change.

    So I'm wondering if that way I can get away with cleaning, scuff sanding but not complete old color removal? It's surfaced dyed leather and there a few nicks here and there on non seating surfaces that I'll try some of the filler out.

    Well that's one idea anyway?

    I had a pretty well known detailer who preps a lot of Pebble Beach and other cars suggest this route to me after looking the car over.
     
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    #4 The Kook Abides, Oct 26, 2013
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    I re dyed my interior the original color 2.5 yrs ago. I followed the Leatherique strip-condition-prep program and used an airbrush.

    3 light coats on a 70 degree day with low humidity.

    Here are two photo from my Iphone I took 10 minutes ago. The color doesn't look this washed out in person. It is uniform and even, but the Iphone flash messes with it.

    Anyways, you can clearly see the grain in the leather even after 3 LIGHT coats.

    -Pat

    Here is a photo of the seats before and after. FCA graded the upholstery a "B" and deducted 1.0 point at the Concorso Italiano show in 2012.
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    Yes I can clearly see the grain. That being said it does look a bit painted. The the original was perhaps not not quite as shiny.

    This has got me very bothered. Why would he tell the grain is going to disappear?
    This guy has a lot of experience too.

    So you stripped all the old finish off with lacquer thinner and then did the leather treatment followed by the coloring?

    Some of my seats are going to be a more complicated surface to paint than that.
     
  6. The Kook Abides

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    The side bolster has some clear on it to help with wear. That is why it is shiny.

    Yep...lacquer strip, condition, and then prep. Letting it dry after prep for 3 days before spraying the dye.

    It really doesn't look painted in person. If it did, FCA would have deducted more that one point. They are a picky bunch, believe me.
     
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    #7 The Kook Abides, Oct 26, 2013
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    The Iphone pictures make it look painted for some reason.

    Feel free to have your guy call me if he wants. Just PM me for my phone #.
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    Very nice job. :)


    Bob:

    Your interior guy is probably just trying to cover his ass. I would worry/wonder that he's going to try to re-dye the leather in one or two heavy coats, rather than multiple, light mist coats with a drying period in between. BTW, a piece of cheesecloth used in a circular motion is a great application method and, although far more labor intensive and time consuming, really does a great job of enhancing the grain pattern. It can also be used (lightly) just before the dye is dry to enhance the grain.

    If you like the current color, you can send a headrest, shirft boot, or other leather item/piece that has been weathered to, e.g., Leatherique and they will perform and EXACT color match. They're really good at this. Best of luck.
     
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    Or he's trying to convince me that the leather he wants to supply, which doesn't have enough grain in it, is good enough. This bothers me.

    My seats have folds and pockets that mean more than an airbrush will be required for the seats but the rest of the stuff could be done that way.

    Thanks for the input guys.
     
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    Before I sprayed the dye, I cut in all of the folds and tight areas with an artist's brush.
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    Yes, we've discussed doing this too. I'm beginning to think that I better do the dye work and maybe experiment on the front seats first before they're recovered. I just wanted to turn-key the seats so I could get them back in the car and then handle the rest over time. Argggh!

    Getting a leather that looks similar to what's in there now is my main concern.
     
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    I also wanted to keep the original leather.

    Take your time and enjoy the project. If I can be of any assistance, shoot me a pm.
     
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    Well after a bunch of hemming and hawing we decided that one of the front seats was going to require replacement of about four panels (there was one hole and a couple of cracks that looked like eventually they might split) plus the piping replaced on one side looked a bit tough (I didn't think it was that bad) so ... I got a price for all new leather for the fronts with no dye on them and that will hold up a lot better but it will have zero patina unlike the other stuff.

    But the leather grain has to be there. It's still a preservation/driver project.
     
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    Post some pics if you have time. Good luck.
     
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    I used Leatherique and the first shot I used a touych-up gun and the seats looked like plastic. The second time around I used a rag and just gave it a couple of thin coats and the result was more natural. just sayin, Lost
     
  16. Arnie

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    I redyed my 89 Porsche seats. I recommend not using an airbrush. I used a cotton cloth and rubbed the dye on. it is easier to control the amount you put on. You than immediately F/U with another dry cloth to rub the leather after putting the dye on. That way you can control the amount of dye on the leather. You can rub off the dye if you put too much easier to control since most of the dyes are water based.
     
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    I purchased half a hide from GAHH, LLC 11128 Gault street Hollywood CA . I gave them the car information and a sample piece. It cost $227.12 and they sourced it out of Italy and it matched perfectly With grain and I did not Need to dye again. I used it for the dash but on the seats that were worn with some cracks I used some crack filler, sanded and dyed and it turned out great. I also used the terry cloth approach To dying leather.

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    Bob, I think the company you are talking about in Pennsylvania is ColorPlus:

    :: Color Plus ::

    I used their products on my '84 Mondial seats, and it was great. It did not eliminate the grain in the leather. I followed their instructions, and it worked fine. The only place it did effect the grain was in a section that was worn, where I had to sand it down to eliminate the "saude" surface that had been created by wear. Otherwise, the grain survived just fine. I did not spray the dye on, I wiped it on per their instructions.

    I've used both Leatherique and ColorPlus, and they are both good. ColorPlus is a little easier for the DIYers, IMHO.
     
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    Color plus is what I used to dye my seats in 89 Porsche. It is water based so you can remove it before it dries. Also you can keep layering it till you match the correct color. It works great. They use a spectrophometer to match the color if you send them a small swatch which you can get from underneath the seat which has not faded.
     
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    Color Plus is great stuff. Their "Soffener" product (their spelling not mine) is great at restoring suppleness in dried out leather.
     
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    Did anyone compare Color Plus' "Soffener" to Leatherique's "Rejuvenator"?
     
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    I have used both, but not side-by-side on the same project, so I can't give a direct comparison. I used to use Leatherique, but I feel like Soffener works better. The person I bought Soffener from said that Color Plus resulted from a split-up of personnel within Leatherique a while ago. According to him, after the split happened, Leatherique focused on marketing the original formula and Color Plus has been more focused on continuing development of the formulas. I have no idea if this is true, I'm just relaying what I was told, but I do like the Color Plus products.
     
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    Thank you, Peter! At the risk of highjacking this thread for a moment: My car has a black interior, it seems to be original leather judging from the workmanship. I have removed the hard plastic stuff on top with lacquer thinner and restored the suppleness with Leatherique's rejuvenator with good result. However my car's original interior color is dark red 3171. Here my question: Can I redeye the black to dark red with any reasonable result?
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    No hijack, I'm going through this right now. I used the Leatherique softener but I did not remove the old color first. I was warned to soften the leather first lest it should crack from the drying out because of the Lacquer thinner, then remove the color and soften again.

    But my interior shop who's doing the front seats completely over and some other parts prefers colorplus so we'll probably be using them as he has good connections there.

    I have to find out if the Leatherique stuff will be compatible as I have a bunch of their softener.
     
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    That is what I have done as well. And then every 6 moths or so I treat it with Rejuvenator. Interested to know if Color Plus is compatible with Leatherique.
     

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