Reliable source information on Scuderia & 16M production numbers for U.S.

Rad, I've heard 126 total 16Ms batted around.

Nevertheless, there are not a lot of Scuds or 16Ms in the country. I think the economy has the most to do with the lack of fulfilled allocations.

 

When Ferrari launched the 16M they said all 499 were "sold".

Did they get dealers to commit to buy them - but the buyers didn't actually materialise?

If US is 40% of production (200/499 16Ms) one could extrapolate that from around only 340 Scuderia coupes allocated to the US - the total production numbers for Scuderia coupes could well be less than the 360CS.

I bought mine in the UK and was told that 2008 delivery figures were approximately 60 - and the UK is a big Ferrari market. It would be interesting to see how many were shipped in Middle East/Far East? At which point will Ferrari release official stats?

I suspect the release of the 16M must have hurt the Scuderia delivery numbers, especially if the market was soft by that point - so you could well argue more Scuds would have shipped if not for the Spider.

 

When I was at the Ferrari factory several weeks back, they stated that the total US 16M allocation was 149 (499 worldwide). Yes, the entire US 16M production run was committed to dealers. There were no uncommitted 16M's.

Tim

 

Thanks for your persistence, F430GT. I've been trying to get those numbers myself. Nice work.

 

I tried to buy a 16M from my dealer and they were told by Ferrari that there were no more available. So what is the real story? If in fact there are less than 90 2009 Scuds that will be one of the lowest production numbers in many years.

 

Thanks F430GT. It's satisfying to see that Scuderia is a limited production car.

 

Did you find out the production numbers for the F430 coupe and Spider for 2009 and the number that came to the US? Thanks.

 

i like to know whats the total # for the whole world.

 

With so few built, it's amazing how many are for sale...FoSF had four Scuderias for sale last week.

 

Great info!
Thanks for sharing.
Any guess on the number of 458 production per year?? I think it would be a shame to sell a Scuderia for a "base" "big production" 458.. Any thoughts ?

 

Just found this thread. Anyone know how many Scuderias were sold world wide?

 

16M is amazing, but it's really just squeezing the last of the 430 tube out on the road. The 458 was coming and everyone knew it, so they are waiting for 458 coupes, spiders, or whatever the 458+ is.

 

I think some of your numbers and assumptions may be a little off.

16M - Ferrari did sell all 499 allocated no problem (so I'm told)! What did they then do? What they always do and build some more. Build exceeded 499, no exact figures exist that have been published but as you all know they are famous for doing this and I guess could be as high as 10% extra? Some of the additional cars may then have struggled to sell coming at the same time as the 458 launched although I have no evidence of this and demand for used cars seems strong.

There is quite a lot of documented evidence that a combined total of between 3500 and 4000 Scuds and 16M's were built so best guess for Scuds alone is 3000-3500 cars.

As far as I can ascertain Ferrari sells approximately 30% of it's cars to the US/Canada which would put allocation of 16M's to US/Can at around 150 cars and Scuds at around 900 cars using the most conservative figures of 3000 scuds and 499 16M's. I don't know of course if the 30% of sales figure is accurate for all models across the range but I would think since both Scud and 16M are aimed at the same market that the percentages for these would be similar to each other.

I'm also trying to put together a registry of 16M's with as much information as possible but to date I have to say I haven't had much feedback from owners - perhaps we can pool our resources?
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Think I just joined the Scud family (confirm on monday). Anyone ever get real legit production #'s on these cars??

 

Update:
I was incorrect in my previous statement - No documented evidence has actually been produced for Scud production numbers, there is however documented evidence of actual UK registrations which is recorded by the licensing authorities at 165 Scuds and 53 16M's. UK has a known Ferrari historic purchase % of approx 10% of World production. This would put Scud total production at between 1650 and 1800 cars - much lower than some have indicated but is actually based on known information.

 

I guess I've never paid a whole bunch of attention to this. But why wouldn't Ferrari publish production numbers of their vehicles? I just assumed that hard data on production numbers was readily available.

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At any one time there are quite a few for sale even if only 149 were delivered (or whatever number FNA tells us).

Any reason why such a small production is frequently found for sale?
Price too high to compete with 458 performance?

 

Because the numbers tossed out at the top of the thread aren't correct. Right now, there are 30 advertised on a single site (carsdotcom) alone. There are 9 CS on the same site. Says alot towards the relative rarity of each.

 

I do not believe this is true any longer. Like you said yourself, the forthcoming 458 Scud is already having an effect and will continue to do so. We had a guy recently with a nice 10k car he had trouble moving for $162k. Whether you believe carsdotcom or not, there are alot of Scuds on the market.

Last August, I charted all the available Scuds from 4 sources (cars, autotrader, ebay, dupont) subtracting the duplicates. There wasn't a single 10k mile car for less than $185k. Definately not the case today.

 

Scud production was only in 2008-2009

 

You've quoted a very old post which has now been proved factually incorrect. Scud production is far lower than the figures I was quoting in this post.

 

IMO, the 458S will not have that big of an impact on the 430 Scud. The price point on the 458s is much higher than Scud. I feel Scud's have hit the floor. On E bay, there are only a handful and asking prices are higher than 5 months ago before 458S was released.

 

08 and 09 scuds. are about 2500 or less why is everytime the number gets highter every time ?? there only 1 scud or none for sell in Canada, I cant see to many in the US for sell, these car are going up in value, who the hell has 450 to 500k for theses 458 and then lose half the value a year later ?/