Only a wild guess....and i am sure someone has a much better idea on this forum 10% crashed and written off 20% rusted beyond repair and scrapped over the years roughly 4000 of all examples manufactured, so that would leave c. 2800 examples
Would anyone have any idea how many or what percent of existing Dinos have the original paint? And of those with original paint how many or what percent of those might have the paint in concours condition?
I would think that very few would have original paint in mint condition. I have a silver Dino that is original and unrestored. The problem with the old lacquer paint is it tends to crack over time. I have cracks particularly around the engine bay area. The color has held up relatively well but is certainly more dull than 20 years ago..
I suppose we should also factor into this number, all the examples in static collections and motor museums, that will almost certainly , sadly never turn a wheel again ..... Probably another 50-100 cars , at least. I suspect factoring this effect in, the true number is somewhere between my pessimistic number and your estimation.
very few and non have the paint in concours condition.... Original paint has always cracks everywhere....
I can´t believe that so many Dino 246 have survived. During the first 15 years it was nothing special, only a used car. Here in Germany the GT was sold around 35 000 DM, used after some years they were offered for 10 000- 15000 DM (= 5 to 7,5 K euro). If anything was not OK to a used Dino at this time (Accident, too much corrosion, defect engine or gearbox) the reapair was easily above the worth of the car. When I bought my first 246 GT in 1988 I searched for parts and got contact to a local scrapp yard. These guys bought cheap Dinos with damages, when it made sense they repaired them for reselling or they scrapped them. They said that they have scrapped more than 20 246 GT and I bought parts from min. 8 different cars. And that was only in the cologne area. My estimation is more in 50-60% area how many survived.
That would put the number between 2000 and 2400, which seems too low, but I can't argue with your logic concerning the treatment of Dino's in the early 1980's, when they were, as you rightly say, essentially just secondhand cars. I find it odd that we don't have a better idea of the number, for what is after all, now one of the most documented classic Ferraris. I suppose it also should have quite an effect on the overall future values, as availability of Dino's get tighter.
In my private register (is far beyound what you can find in the Dino register) I have only 550 Dinos with either stolen, totally damaged or no ownership entry. I have futher 300 Dinos with ownership history only back into the 1970`s or early 1980`s. If ownership history ends in the 1990`s it`s very likely these Dinos all still exsit. But not every Dino without ownership history means this car was lost, just means we don`t know... So if you add all these number a survival rate of 3500 Dinos is pretty realistic. If you look at specific delivery countries, it`s true that the lost rate is higher with to Germany delivered Dinos. If you look at 206 GT vs 246 GT it`s true 206 GT`s had a higher lost rate.
Someone is advertising a 246 GT Dino in perfect condition for over 500K USD on Hemmings. Isn't this a bit absurd given you can buy a F&C Dino GTS for less than 450K? Also, you can buy a driver Dino for 250K and do the most expensive restoration at Ferrari Classiche for less than 200K.
Great Matthias, the more Dinos out there on the open road, the better, as far as I'm concerned! c.85% overall survival rate however, is remarkable though for a small, affordable (relatively at the time) Italian sports car ......I wonder if the survival rate for Porsche 911's of that era is anything close to similar??
The statement about Porsche is that 75% from all everbuild Porsches have survived. But I think that includes much older 356 as well as cheap 924 etc.... I don´t have a Number just about 911´s, but will try to find out.
I think that number is high and there are fewer than 2800 Dino remaning but again, like others here, that is only speculation. An actual count would require starting with those known that exist in the Register then noting the serial numbers completely absent or recently missing and then resolving those. In the 70's and 80's many were crashed and written off then parted out. Remember the GT model was the far less desirable, cheaper and most easily discarded when crashed and the owner paid off with insurance. When you buy used Dino parts from GT Car Parts, Rutlands, Eurospares, ect you know exactly where these parts come from ... those discarded Dinos. .
Hi Scott, That was my initial thought also when i posted my wild guess....... especially if you throw into the mix that the cars were on the road during a time when drink driving was the norm, if not expected, no ABS or other lack of driving talent saving features, and we are all here, painfully aware of the Dinos ability to acquire rust! ....... but you cant really argue with Matthias's point on the real data he has on file , pointing to a number well north of 3000 examples.
With a production of around 150 examples, that would be a short list! Probably not to hard through a process of elimination and identifying known vehicles? Freeman
