Remember the stolen F50 from Algar?

True enough.....if they were really interested in economic recovery it would have been flat bedded to the closest auction ASAP.....

Not sure what their reasoning would have been, although reclaiming impounded items sometimes takes some jumping thru hoops, paperwork wise....

Someone not paying attention to the case file, or got greedy for returns.

 

Would guess the insurance co. granted FBI permission to hold the car - if permission was their's to grant - on good faith and to assist in the FBI's investigation.

Think, even today, most who'd borrow a car and pile it up - stuff happens, obviously - would have been taught to reimburse the lending party for damages incurred.

 

Algars showroom would have been a poetic storage location.....

 

It's a cluster **** for sure.

 

Buhler, Buhler, anyone, Ferris, anyone.

 

Surprised the agent couldn't be sued for negligence. Obviously he was doing something other than 'transporting' the vehicle. If it was an F40 I could see the car getting out of hand. But not the F50. The car is super easy to drive, my sister could have done a better job!

 

my 2c. For one, an FBI agent can not be sued, however, he action can (and probably was) taken against the agent for his act of negligence and conduct unbecoming. The public however can not go after him.

Next. Back in November of 2008 I had just departed active duty service and I was helping my father out with some work. After work I brought my father home as he did not have his truck, before returning to my humble dwelling. Upon my return, I yielded to traffic in the rotary at the bridge (otherwise known as a round about or traffic circle to those of us not from The Cape, nor familiar with Massachusetts slang). As I came to a stop in my mustang (it's an 86 with only 48K on it at the time) I was rear ended by a young airforce specialist driving a U.S. Government tagged van whom was on his way home for the night as well. The damage to the car was relatively minor, but needless to say I was distrought. We exchanged information and the Mass State Police took both of our information as well (their barracks is adjacent to the rotary where the accident took place). The next morning I talked to my insurance company and filed the claim (I have USAA, their service is excellent). They informed me that since the airforce specialist was driving a U.S. Government vehicle he was not insured but infact he had immunity. I insisted that since I had the drivers information that I wanted to press the case, and my insurance concluded that they would do what they could but in the meantime I would have to pay the deductable. I felt that that was not quite fair, so I contacted a childhood friend of mine's mother who owns her own insurance brokerage. She confirmed what USAA told me, that I would have to foot the deductable. So, to make a longer story shorter, I reluctantly filed the claim, and had my car repaired. To this day I still ask my insurance company when I will be refunded the deductable that I feel I should not have had to pay, and I always get the same couple of answers, either "We are still investigating," or "the paperwork is in the process." Rough translation, I have to pound sand because someone else was wreckless and the individual is essentially powerless against The Man.

As far as this case goes between the insurance company with the F-50, good luck because Government organisations generally do not have insurance of their own but they have imunity, in the same manner as a diplomat does.

Too bad about the Ferrari, good to hear Jas made out ok though. Cheers.

 

Ditto. The car belonged to the insurance company and they didn't have the foresight to contract with the government to assign risk for the possibility of loss?! Seems like they could have contracted away immunity or at least assigned some risk through a contract. The government does that all the time.

That being said, I am outraged that the anyone can be flat out negligent with someone's private property and not pay a dime just because they work for the government. Absurd.

 

Is is showing up in local auctions yet as the premium 'as is' item?

 

in the immortal words of jeff spicoli (sean penn) in 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High' ...."my old man has a gnarly set of tools................I can fix it"

 

FWIW, I don't know if the FBI needs the ins company's permission to hold on to the car.

my patient had a purse snatcher tried to steal her purse but was caught. The contents of the purse was held as evidence, including her driving glasses. Since she can't drive without her glasses and the government wouldn't "release the evidence", I had to fit her with contacts during that time.

 

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2011/10/11/news/cops_and_courts/doc4e942f37ec915554375466.txt

Well...looks like the insurance company loses the final battle. Absolutely disgusting.

 

Well, it doesn't surprise me. Like I said, most government agencies have immunity. Consider this; you are out driving your beautiful F-car on a nice sunny day and come to a traffic light. The state cop that has been keeping an eye on you for the last few minutes has become distracted by an incoming text message and does not realize that you stopped for the red light and plows into the back of your cherrished car that you worked so hard to obtain. After you calm down and consider things you think to yourself, it's ok, I did nothing wrong and the officer is clearly at fault; and he is. So you get his information (instead of killing him and leaving him in a ditch somewhere even though you know that that would be the preffered method of going about things) as calmly as your wrecked nerves allow, and make a mental note to follow up with your insurance company. Next you call for a tow truck and a ride, because after examining the damage you know that the car is certainly beyond repair never mind driving it home. The next day you call your insurance company and file your claim. The insurance company now tells you that since you only had basic insurance on your beloved car and it was a state police officer that hit you, he is not liable nor is the state. "We are sorry, but there really isn't much we can do for you," says the insurance agent whom thinks to himself, you should have paid the extra money for full coverage. Now you are out your Ferrari, with nothing to show for it other than severe back and neck pain and an empty spot in your garage. Sad isn't it? Unfortunately for us, this is how things operate. I personally was zero percent at fault when I was rear ended in my car by a government vehicle and I had to foot the deductable, and MY insurance company had to fix the car, and other than that, there was nothing I could do about it. Cheers

 

that's awful. wonder what will happen with the wreck.

 

Soon to be on Copart.... F50

 

Terrible story.

My question is: how could a car like a red F50 not be noticed for so long? How can there be pictures of the car at auto shows, and no one ever looked at the VIN or wondered how he acquired the car? If I knew there was a stolen F50 driving around, and I saw one, I would definitely check the VIN.

Also, how could he have had registration papers on the car even after it was stolen?

Bad stuff.

 

Remember the stolen F50 from Algar?

 

c'mon if you saw an f50 on the road you'd really think to look at the vin to see if it was stolen? I'd be too enamored with the car, and from the person who purchased the car from him he seemed like a cool stand up guy. You'd never suspect, especially if he was driving it to shows and all over the place.

 

Which story did you read before making this post?

If you'd read the one presented here completely, especially Post 31 by RufMD which was repeated multiple times in the thread when people responded by quoting it, I do not believe you'd have those sorts of questions still.

Did you really just read the first post of a 10 page thread and then not think to at least skim the rest?

>8^)
ER

 

Yea, I would expect someone would check the VIN considering there are people who collect the VIN numbers and trace car histories for much more common cars. If you ask NNO about a VIN he can provide a pretty detailed report on numerous cars. So, no I don't think it would be that unusual to check a VIN number.

Sorry to waste your time. I guess I did not read the tread thoroughly enough. Simply linking me to that post or not replying would have sufficed. Thanks for your time, though.

 

You didn't waste my time - I was just venting a bit of frustration about people (and it seems to happen everywhere) who wander into a massive thread and drop questions at the end which were answered multiple times in the preceding pages making it clear they might have read the first post and that's it. Sorry for my 'tude - pet peeve of mine.

>8^)
ER

 

Woah 10 pages
Cliff notes?

















I kid I kid!

 

Almost all states and the federal government have what is called tort claim statutes. While the government is immune, there is a claim procedure so that you can indeed collect for what would normally be immune behavior. In this instance, the insurance carrier can bring a claim against the federal government under the Federal Tort Claims act. You don't get a jury, and attorney's fees are limited to 25%, but you generally do recover.

See 28 U.S.C. 1346, et seq.

Art

 

Me thinks a certain local dealer might benefit from doing some reading and maybe get a good attorney if someone buys this car... Its up on evil bay now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-FERRARI-F50-MINT-SALVAGE-TITLE-VERY-RARE-/320988335868?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4abc654efc#v4-42

 

The seller's been asked several times about the car being crashed and he STILL lies and says it has no crash damage. Complete crook.