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Remove old frequency valve or not?

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  1. Pero

    Pero Formula Junior

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    #1 Pero, Jul 18, 2016
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    I just bought a euro mondial qv cab, 1985. It has no cats but remnants from an old emission system that no longer is working. It was made by a Californian company, Lido Technical Services. It was connected to an O2 sensor, to a wire on the wur and to a frequncy valve. I would like to remove all wires and box from the car. The O2 sensor can remain but I would like to remove also the FV. Can I just remove it and have a hose instead? Do I have to leave it there because it does something needed for the system, even if it is not connected?

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  2. Steve Magnusson

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    Yes (that would restore it to the stock euro configuration), but you may (will probably) need to do a warm idle mixture readjustment.

    If you do a search on "quasi-Lambda", you should get a few prior threads with pictures/discussion about this modification.
     
  3. Pero

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    Thank you Steve! Great, I will remove the FV. Do I need any specific instruments to set the warm idle mix? Good info on quasi-lamda. Had no idea that I should search for that.


    Peter
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

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    For the mixture readjustment you need some way to measure the exhaust gas constituents (which can vary from a full blown 5-gas analyzer to a working O2 sensor).

    However, I need to clarify my prior post. You don't need to replace the added plumbing with another straight thru hose -- you need to eliminate the added plumbing (i.e., get the shorter stock banjo bolts and not have the "stacked" banjo ends). The added stuff is plumbed in parallel with the stock flow path (which is still there).
     
  5. Pero

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    Ok, I think I understand what you mean. I will check tomorrow and also do some search on the process. I have a Gunson CO or CO2 analyzer that might be useful.
    Thank you!
    Peter
     
  6. 2dinos

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    Just curious: Does it work now? Do you hear FV buzzing away?
     
  7. FrannyB

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    That looks like a "DC Johnson" box. My car had one too ('85 Euro). You will have to remove the entire hose and hose assembly and source the correct single banjo bolts on each end.

    I left the O2 sensor installed as well and patched the holes made for the wiring. It looks so much better without it and it wasn't working anyway.

    There are schematics on-line and I believe Johnson's son was servicing these for a while. Not sure if that is currently true. It isn't complicated and could be rebuilt, but... I had heard from a mechanic that it can cause a bit of mid range surging. My guess is that it richens the mixture to get the cats hot enough to burn clean. Often the cleanest running engine tune will not produce the least emissions. You need higher temps in the cats so a little bit rich will achieve that.

    I took all that stuff, put in a nice bag and then into the box of original stuff I keep for the car.

    Franny
     
  8. Pero

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    #8 Pero, Jul 20, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2016
    The FV was just sitting there, the box was not connected to battery. Bought new shorter banjo bolts today and removed the FV totally. Looks so much cleaner in engine bay. I also did put it in a plastic bag and into the box with "things that were on my car when I bought it". O2 sensor is still there.

    The car is on stands right now for new cam belts and tensioners, fuel hoses, water hoses, fuel filter and accumulator, fuel injectors, also have to fix radiator header tank etc. etc.
    Hoping for first start in August.

    Peter
     

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