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  1. itschris

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    #1 itschris, Feb 16, 2017
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    I just noticed this... Renault seems to have unique setup unlike other cars using 3 intake holes/ports whatever you want to call them. I'm always fascinated why teams develop such different ways of doing things and wonder if it's out of necessity or if they think it's actually better. You would think you'd try to copy everything Merc does rather than reinvent the wheel. Any ideas on why they're configured like this?
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    #2 jgonzalesm6, Feb 16, 2017
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    Mercedes Benz kinda has the same setup but are more "discreet" about it. They have various "Pitot tubes" inside for everything having to do with ambient air other than a singularity this side of Star Trek.
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    #3 maulaf, Feb 16, 2017
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    Mercedes is also splitting airbox in three.
    This has all gone out of hand with the modern power units where various components differ in cooling need.
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    hehe... got side tracked while typing :)
     
  5. itschris

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    Thanks guys... that's interesting. I'm still wondering why Renault would develop their so different. It seems the "normal" way like Mercs is much cleaner aero-wise.
     
  6. 4rePhill

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    Is the Mercedes cleaner aero-wise?

    If you look at a head on picture of the cars, the Mercedes airbox is actually quite bulbous, and it's right in the path of the airflow to the rear wing, stealing some air from the rear wing, costing a little bit of rear end down-force.

    With Renault's solution, the two side intakes being lower than the main engine intake means that they are stealing less air from the rear wing, reducing the loss of down-force.

    For Mercedes, with the advantage that they had, the amount of down-force lost wasn't critical, but for Renault, they needed every bit of down-force that they could get, to make up for their cars other deficiencies.
     
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    #8 Bas, Feb 20, 2017
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    I don't think 2nd in the WDC and 6 wins qualifies as goofy.

    I always quite liked Mercedes W01 airbox.
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    Fast /= not goofy.
     
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    What I don't get is why the airbox is becoming larger and the side-pods intakes smaller.
    Aero-wise I would have thought the side-pods position is a much better one for an intake
     
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    My guess is that airbox receives pretty undisturbed air under many conditions due to being higher up, it is for instance less susceptible to cross winds which may affect either side-pod.
    And the side-pod has implications towards the rear of the car (diffusor). The airbox much less so.
     
  13. 4rePhill

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    Don't forget that there's a massive amount of heat in those sidepods, which would heat up the air being supplied to the engine, especially at slow speeds - Less than ideal to say the least!

    The cars design requires a roll-over hoop above the drivers head anyway, and so it makes sense to get a double use out of that area by using it for an engine air intake as well.

    The only real downside is that, if the airbox intake is too large then it starts to "steal"air from the rear wing.
     
  14. spirot

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    Air boxes are up higher because the air flow is more streamlined vs turbulent aid flowing over the body first. Laminar air will build a large charge vs disturbed air
    Side pods are getting tighter and smaller to reduce drag and clean the air going under the turbulent air over the bodywork can spoil the floe under the car ... they want to keep the flow as un disturbed as possible

    The 3 intakes I'm not sure what that is for.... I think it may be Kers cooling
     

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