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  1. FLATOUTRACING

    FLATOUTRACING F1 Rookie

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    #1 FLATOUTRACING, Apr 2, 2006
    The past three races I've been watching the in car shots closely when they show the rpm gauge and the brake and throttle bars (green and red).

    This was especially apparent at Baharian when they were showing Schumacher's in car vs. Alonso's. The in car showed that the Renault was using traction control heavily on most slow to medium speed corners after the apex.

    The Ferrari wasn't utilizing TC at all (or it wasn't being shown on the screen). Same thing yesterday and at the Malaysia. Almost 99% of the in car video for people other than Fisi and Fernando shows no utlization of the TC on most corners.

    I noticed this yesterday when they were showing Fisi trying to get up through the field and also on Alonso's in car. His TC light would come on for a split second after the apex at all but the fastest corners. Montoya's didn't, nor did Button, MS, or Ralph.

    We already know that Renault have the best "launch control" but I wonder if what is giving them the edge over McLaren is also their traction control.

    Anyone else catch this?

    Regards,

    JK
     
  2. Admiral Thrawn

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    #2 Admiral Thrawn, Apr 2, 2006
    Didn't notice this.

    Where does this information overlaid on the screen come from, and how accurate is it?

    As all the traction control systems are different, and all can be adjusted longitudinally and laterally, not all TC flashes that you see on the screen are equal...
     
  3. FLATOUTRACING

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    #3 FLATOUTRACING, Apr 2, 2006
    James,

    Over here in the States I believe the feed we get is from Bernie's production company or maybe it's ITV's feed.

    I realize the traction control software on every car is configurable to the driver and specifically different for each team but I found it interesting that the Renault seems to utlize TC more fequently and to a greater degree if the data we see on the screen is correct.

    The entire time MS was chasing behind Alonso at Baharian the data showed no TC intervention.

    It harks back to the years of MS at Benneton in the ealy 90's when everyone was sure MS had TC and LC (when it was still illegal).
     
  4. Remy Zero

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    #4 Remy Zero, Apr 2, 2006
    well, that depends on the drivers i suppose. on how much percentage of the TC they wanna use. well, who knows that maybe both BS and michelin tires react differently to specific settings...i guess about the icon flasing on the screens, i normally dun notice that, but what i do notice is how fast MS gets his foot on the throttle each time he comes out of a corner.
     
  5. FLATOUTRACING

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    #5 FLATOUTRACING, Apr 2, 2006
    If you watch closely, Michael's rarely off the throttle even in slow speed corners. Since he brakes with his left foot he usually on the throttle all the time even if only at 5-10% throttle. This was really noticeable when he was chasing Alonso.

    MS is not a driver where you would expect a high degree of TC usage but other's such as Ralph and Button (who brakes in a very straight line similar to Senna's style) you would expect to see more TC usuage.
     
  6. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    #6 BMW.SauberF1Team, Apr 2, 2006
    I noticed it, too. Really only on the Renaults. Not sure why, but I don't think it's because of driver settings. Probably something the team has done like their way to get around LC.
     
  7. rmani

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    #7 rmani, Apr 2, 2006
    Question, does renault not use the launch control anymore? Someone told me they only use TC. Is there something better about this?
     
  8. greg328

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    #8 greg328, Apr 2, 2006

    Launch Control is illegal in F1
     
  9. FLATOUTRACING

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    #9 FLATOUTRACING, Apr 2, 2006
    It was illegal in 94 as well but that didn't stop Benetton back then either!

    Launch control is simply another form of traction control.
     
  10. TurboTodd

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    #10 TurboTodd, Apr 2, 2006
    launch control is also a clutch control..

    Last season I read somewhere that the speedtv graphic used audio data to interpret and display an approximation..

    Todd
     
  11. Boxer12

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    #11 Boxer12, Apr 2, 2006
    It looks to me like Renault simply has a superior car, even more so than last year. The lines through the corners are cleaner, the traction superior, the power superior, all around better car. Too bad for the rest, but how can you not be impressed with the effort? Catch up time!
     
  12. Etcetera

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    #12 Etcetera, Apr 2, 2006
    Renault's software has long been the class of the field, and now they have a car to match.
     
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    #13 ralessi, Apr 2, 2006
    This is what I don't understand. How can one team's software POSSIBLY be better than another team's... and for a few years running? It seems like the gap should have closed by now, or any "revelations" that the Renault team had that pushed them WAY in front of everyone else would have been figured out by now. Unless it is something about the design of their car/engine that makes them better from a rolling/standing start. What is it that is the cause of this difference?
     
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    #14 racerx3317, Apr 2, 2006
    Ferrari generally doesn't like to have information like that public. I have no way of knowing for sure but I suspect they are blocking this sort of info being broadcast. It was similar with BMW Williams a few years back when the RPM graphic would cut out just when they would top out so no one saw just how much they were turning. I believe it was at Indy a couple of years ago.
     
  15. Remy Zero

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    #15 Remy Zero, Apr 2, 2006

    not only the software, but also the car's almost perfect weight distribution makes the car rockets off the line perfectly. m'sia was a perfect example if u looked at FA's start.

    p/s : someone said that LC is against the rules in F1? can someone reconfirm? i was thiking all these while since 2001 that both LC and TC was legal...
     
  16. Remy Zero

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    #16 Remy Zero, Apr 2, 2006

    MS tends to turns into the corners more early, and do whatever correction in the middle of the corner. dun forget ms is one of the best juggler out there, juggling the throttle, steering, and the brakes, and lol, not to mention that right hand constantly changing that brake bias settings ....
     
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    #17 AJT, Apr 2, 2006
    Are you guys sure that LC is banned in F1 ? I thought that a few years ago the FIA legalised LC and TC because they couldnt break the software codes of the different teams and thus had no way of knowing who was and who wasnt using LC/TC illegally .
    PS : I thought that Renault's superior starts had something to do with weight being distributed more over the rear suspension (or something of that sort ) rather than better LC ?
     

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