"Renault unveils first images of 2014 Formula 1 V6 turbo"

Likely insane I'd bet

I think balance is best - I was a huge fan of CART in the 80's and 90's - just enough technology to make those cars go like stink, but not enough to minimize the driver. Sequential shift meant taking your hand off the wheel to shift, steel brakes, etc.

 

Fuel flow limits.

 

Ferrari's final 3.5 V12 had around 750hp.

In 2005 some teams had over 1000 hp at over 20000rpm (!!!)

I really doubt the Turbo's will sound any good. I'll probably be more excited for the GP2 races in 2014 for aural pleasure alone.

 

Listen to the Acura NSX Lemans car. It is a turbo V6 and it sounds very very nice.

 

Reminds me of the turbo V6s from '80s F1:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGe88c7nNYA]"95 NSX Turbo GT1 Le Mans Race Car - Best Motoring International - YouTube[/ame]

 

I did, sounds decent, but nothing like the V10s, V12s. IMO the V8s don't sound all that great so I'm not all that bummed about the new engines. Just wish they weren't so restricted.

 

Will limit power, but nothing to do with boost levels. As of now at least that's completely free.

Once again, I can't believe all the naysayers here. Doesn't anyone remember the old turbo days? They'll sound just fine IMO.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Here it is. Sounds pretty nice too, and this engine revs to I believe 7500rpm in the lemans turbo trim.

youtube.com/watch?v=EGe88c7nNYA

 

i would think close to same HP as V8

 

Agreed! I recall a video of Gerhard Berger speaking about what it takes to drive a turbo car from that era...in his inimitable way (with thick German accent):

"you had to have balls!"

Yep - good times indeed. I'm looking forward to this.

 

Can't have boost without fuel...

 

More references to the "old turbo days" as if sanitized, spec engines with a bunch of recovery systems will be in any way comparable to the rocket-fueled, fire-breathing unrestricted monsters of the 80s.

 

I sure hope so...with more torque too.

 

The cars from his days have twice the power as the upcoming V6T.

 

Yes, well aware.

Power for power's sake isn't interesting to me - see post about NHRA. I'll reserve judgement on that until they are driven in anger.

 

Those are all well accepted challenges in my boom. Looks nice.

 

Exactly. Technology marches on. If we wanted 2005 V10's with a limited rev forever, where's the advancement in that? Just run a spec series where everyone has the same engine. You'll see more R and D in aero and tire development... well a big WHOOPEE! Won't that be exciting!

These changes to Turbo V6 will create exciting times. Cars will be faster and probably more exciting to see race due to their complexity and limitations of turbo power.

I say... go for it!

 

Hadn't heard the drag news.
Sad. In so many ways.

As far as changing distances goes, its only one part of the ratio. When you limit power you're just adjusting the other side of the equation. The laws of physics are the only constants.
One approach is no more, or less, valid than the other.
Not to say that there aren't legitimate, practical reasons to choose one route over the other though.

Change is always interesting. The question, to me, is if that's sufficient.

"One man's fish is another's poisson. My favorite car is an Avions Voison."

 

Well said - I agree.

 

You...do realize that these motors will be homologated at the first race of 2014 and then frozen, right?

 

So will they sound similar to Indycars? I think the indycars have 2.2 liter V6 revving to 12000 rpm. I was not impressed with the way they sounded at Long Beach.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y00P6RAHBY]2013 Indycar Testing at Sebring - YouTube[/ame]

I think the F1 cars are going to sound more like this.

 

Let's hope not...that sounds terrible.

 

Who's idea was it to go to V6 turbo engines anyways?

 

The Technical Working Group.

It's what the competitors wanted - Possibly (although certainly not definitely) with a little push from Todt.

Here in the land of more or less free gasoline we don't get it; Huge V8 motors are about as relevant to the industry as the pushrod things they use in the taxicab races. Little, fuel efficient turbo's are the way to go. Energy recovery is here now. Storing large amounts, efficiently, is something they all want to do.

I don't much care about "relevancy to road cars" and so on, but this stuff *is* going to push the limits, and that to me is what F1 should be all about.

Kudos to 'em for not living in the past.

Cheers,
Ian