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Renault vs. FIA question

Discussion in 'F1' started by TheBigEasy, Sep 12, 2006.

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  1. TheBigEasy

    TheBigEasy F1 World Champ
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    If Flavio and Alonso continue to whine and complain about things being fixed and unfair, do you think the FIA could ever suspend them or punish them in any way. I mean Alonso's comment that he no longer considers F1 a sport, and that the race was decided off the track on Saturday. Challanging the rulings is one thing.... but the way they keep pushing this do you think suspension or even being banned from F1 would ever happen??
     
  2. Remy Zero

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    no. these things happen in all sports.
     
  3. TheBigEasy

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    Yes, but they are really taking this far, and trashing the whole sport. People get suspended in other sports all the time for bad conduct.
     
  4. RP

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    Briatore was summoned to appear before the FIA Board to explain himself after his comments at Monza. He could be fined. Not sure about a suspension. In most sports the sanctioning authority can fine and suspend.

    The threat of this potential problem with the FIA, suddenly changed Briatore's comments, first he said he was only joking about the FIA, then to the FIA is not showing favoritism. He knew he got himself in trouble. Renault even issued a press release stating they were comfortable with the FIA's handling of the issues.

    I don't know if anything is happening to Alonso, but I would think he received "team orders" to keep quiet.
     
  5. SPEEDCORE

    SPEEDCORE Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Alonso has a short memory. I guess that is what happens when your not a true Champion.
     
  6. bigodino

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    His comments about his penalty are fair though and he has a point when stating this sets a precedent for future races. I bet they could protest a similar move by anybody else (but ofcourse notably by MS) in the future if they wanted to. What if in that case MS isn't penalised? The FIA has put itself in a very awkward position with this penalty and it takes the fun out of watching for me because I can't be sure if the qualifying postition or even the race result will stand pending protests.

    I just realised that it was Ferrari that protested. Damn, why can't they just shut up and drive?! :(

    Best, Peter
     
  7. william

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    I don't see why this should happen.

    I find that in the last few years, several sporting authorities invoqued too quickly the clause "BRING DISRIPUTE TO THE SPORT" as a mean to punish, penalise, fine, suspend or exclude competitors who voiced an opinion against their ruling bodies.

    Why are sportsmen, managers, etc... denied the right of FREE SPEECH which is enjoyed in every civilised country?

    People criticise their congressman, their president, their government, but if they are engaged in sport, they cannot criticise their Federation, club, etc...

    Is the FIA above governments? Does applying for a competition licence makes you forfait your basic HUMAN RIGHTS?

    I don't think that this censorship would stand up in court to be honest. I mean a proper civil court, not the farcical FIA kangaroo court.
     
  8. TheBigEasy

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    The FIA isn't a democracy, it's a business in business to make money. When you have employee trash mouthing his own company, they usually don't get far. I am not saying Renault shouldn't challange the ruling, they have every right to, but I think it's taking it too far for them to trash the whole sport and the FIA should put them in their place.
     
  9. SoftwareDrone

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    It's a monarchy.
     
  10. RP

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    Challenging a ruling and criticizing the body that makes the ruling are two different positions. You can do the first, but watch out if you do the second.
     
  11. parkerfe

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    FYI, in the USA 1st Amendment free speech rights only apply if Congress, i.e., the government tries to suppress your speech...it does not apply with private people or companies do it...you should have paid more attention in school. Private people and companies always have the right to suppress your speech...try calling your boss or wife a bad name and see what happens.
     
  12. william

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    But the two are linked!
    It's the almighty FIA who introduces new rulings that drivers are not supposed to challenge!
    During the last 2 GP seasons, a lot of the 'findings' of the stewards and FIA have had an adverse effect on the result of what is actually happening on the track.
    It surely make you question the 'angle' from where some decision come from.
    Take the Monaco/MS incident. If MS has been a bad boy and spoiled FA's lap time, admonish him and allow 10 extra minutes qualif time for everybody. Don't send the guy at the back; it's stupid. After all, a car stalled on the track, period.
    Now, the Monza/Alonso/Massa incident; how can you explain that a car which is 100m ahead of you (I quote, didn't see the incident myself) can spoil your lap?
    It seems to me that FIA encourage complains and moans and feels important to judge about it.
    What about all these race incidents, where contact is actually made, they don't penalise that.

    FIA stewards could take a few lessons from GP motorcycles FIM stewards!
     

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