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  1. kartboy1234

    kartboy1234 Formula Junior

    Nov 10, 2014
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    Hello everyone, I have a grey 1987 Testarossa. It has mostly original paint. The front is covered in rock chips, the sharp edges on some body panels have worn thin and it has a few small spots of clear coat failure.

    I was thinking about getting the car repainted to clean it up. I'm torn because I like the patina it has but also would love a car with nice paint.

    I have received two quotes for a full repaint, one was $50k, the other they said could go up to $100k depending on what they do. I find that a bit high for a car worth $100k.

    They said that would be for a full bare metal repaint. My question is, does anyone has experience with painting over the existing paint? Pros and cons of that? Any idea what that would cost?

    Anyone know of any good places in LA that won't cost $50k to paint?

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  3. Zeff

    Zeff Formula Junior

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    I have restored several old cars. These were bare metal and then complete repaint. The cost of the the paint work has nothing to do with the value of the car. 50k should be enough money to get a very high quality paint job. I know of a guy here in the Bay Area that is doing show quality repaints on old corvettes and I believe that’s about the cost. You also have to strip everything off the car. You would never paint over old paint. The quality of the paint job is all based on the prep work which includes stripping all old paint off of the car. You will have to investigate body shops carefully and get a recommendation before doing this. Also see their work. Ask yourself how nice of a job do I want. Do I want it back to the way it was when it left the factory? Or do I want a ****ty job? If you don’t do it correctly I would just leave it alone. If it’s only the front then you could just have someone repair and repaint the front only and a good shop could probably match the paint to where you can’t tell. Hope that helps. You may ask your local Indy shop who they recommend. They often use them too and can help.
     
  4. kartboy1234

    kartboy1234 Formula Junior

    Nov 10, 2014
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    I guess I'm in the tough spot of wanting to clean up the car a bit but it's not worth enough to justify a full restoration.

    So it's sounding like I can leave it as is, clean up the interior a bit. I guess I thought that you can paint a car by sanding it down and going over the old paint if you are sticking with the same color.

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  5. MOSS

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    You might just get the front bumper resprayed. Your original paint is not base coat clear coat. It is a single stage called Glasurite. I think I spelled it right. They will most likely use Base coat clear coat to spray any new paint on.
     
  6. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Many colors were indeed 2 stage. I bet grey was.
     
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  8. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I think they are both bending you over.. I'd drive it to San Diego to Gary Bobileffs place and ask him. Lambos and Ferrari's is all he does and he doesn't treat each one like a retirement plan.
     
  9. kartboy1234

    kartboy1234 Formula Junior

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    Bobileffs is the one that said if you want it done right then it would be up to $100k, maybe $50-75k for a normal paint job.

    So that's where I'm torn. If I stripped the car down of all the trim that would reduce cost but probably not enough. They said if the car was worth $750k then it would make sense. I wonder if they think I want it to be concourse winning.

    I just want a nicer looking car but I'll still drive it. So that's the position im stuck in.

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  10. Zeff

    Zeff Formula Junior

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    I think I’ve seen your car. If you were at the last Concorso. It still looks good especially for a driver. I wouldn’t mess with it. You won’t want to drive it after you paint it.
     
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  11. kartboy1234

    kartboy1234 Formula Junior

    Nov 10, 2014
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    Yea at Concorso Italiano this year. At this point I'm just getting quotes because my engine out is coming up. So I figured I could do engine out and paint at the same time. If paint was $15k, then I'd go for it.

    I'm going to get a few more quotes but it sounds like I'll be disappointed at the prices. Maybe I'll just get the front bumper and mirrors done just to clean it up a bit.

    I can just make it mechanically perfect and just leave the rest as a driver.

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  13. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Two Time F1 World Champ

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    California has instituted a bunch more restrictions and rules driving up the costs. Last time Gary and I talked about it, several years ago he said more like $20,000. Goes to show elections have consequences. Look in Arizona. Its why I left 8 years ago.
     
  14. OptimusPrime

    OptimusPrime Formula Junior

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    I just had a mostly bare metal full restoration with all parts/hardware removed except the front windshield (my decision). The car in front of mine getting ready for a California show was a 1960's 250 short wheel base so they know what they are doing. The original quote was $20 -25K but it came in closer to $30K due to an issue with front bumper painted in the past without primer so took a while to get down to fiberglass base with no future de lamination issues. Also, took a while to remove the sticky sound insulation previous owner put inside of doors. I did not have a clear coat as they put 3 layers of paint down and buffed so in the end about one layer thickness gets buffed off, looks like glass. Shop is in Minnesota.
     
  15. Desert_John

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    Elias at Goldcrest Autobody in San Diego is incredible. It's a bit of a drive for you but he does amazing work at a great price.
     
  16. EZORED

    EZORED Formula Junior
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    Has anyone considered wrapping their car?
     
  17. Smiles

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  18. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    Ludicrous prices. Tell ‘em to stuff it. Thieves. Insulting.

    Get out of California.

    PS: paint is not rocket science. This is my garage repaint in Rosso Fiorano using OEM 2 stage Glassurite. Zero fish eyes, zero orange peel. A significant amount of fiberglass repairs. No new panels.
     

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  19. pshoejberg

    pshoejberg Formula 3
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    There is no need for removal of the old paint and filler unless your car suffers from severe corrosion or if the old paint is incompatible with the new paint system. Paint/filler on cars after 80'ish is most often no problem to work on as base for new paint. I think it is a shame and waste of money to go to bare metal and removing the original craftsmanship / shape of the car. 50 to 100 K$ paint jobs sounds like a joke. Top quality paint jobs in Europe are less than 15K. Someone is pulling your legs. Maybe consider to strip the car yourself and save some bugs?

    Best, Peter
     
  20. MaseratiMike

    MaseratiMike Formula Junior

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    If they are quoting $50k to $100k for a paint job, it’s daylight robbery. I had a full respray of my previous Ferrari Mondial for £4K GBP around 4years ago. My Testarossa will be having the roof, bonnet, rear wings and engine lid repainted soon for around £3k GBP soon… If your car needs a full blown bare metal respray where it’s stripped bare and corrosion/ panel work expect around circa £10k…
     
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  21. xplodee

    xplodee Formula 3

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    Robbery. Damn good paint jobs are expensive but even thar price is for million dollar cars that warrant the work. Spend $20k and youll get a really good job. $30k isnt unreasonable for top notch work these days. And it wont happen in LA or all of CA because of the state’s ridiculous politics and costs
     
  22. kartboy1234

    kartboy1234 Formula Junior

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    Well I'm glad some people stepped up to comment on the price. I know people have been painting over older paint for a long time. I'd probably go that route, but one of the shops I spoke to acted like I was insulting Ferrari by wanting to do that.

    I'll get more quotes from less specialty places. I'm not trying to win a concourse with the paint, just have it look nicer.

    I'll let everyone know what the next quote looks like.

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  23. MOSS

    MOSS Formula 3
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    Glad to know this. Do you know what year they started it?
     
  24. MOSS

    MOSS Formula 3
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    You are good. Looks nice.
     
  25. MOSS

    MOSS Formula 3
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    This sounds more like it. Everything is double these days. A new normal.
     
  26. MOSS

    MOSS Formula 3
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    AMEN x 100
     
  27. A348W

    A348W Formula 3

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    $100k for a bare metal paint job…wtf!!!! Presumably the lube is free as they bend you over, or does that come under “sundries”?

    I’m having the buttresses, engine cover (just the strip), roof, targa top and windscreen pillars done on my 348 this Wednesday, £1.9k; and I had prices from two very highly recommended paint shops within £100 of each other.

    Standard price for a bumper is £600; front end respray circa £2-3k.

    Full bare metal over here; I’d expect £10-20k depending on who you use and some level of remedial work included.
     
  28. MGJBLKTR

    MGJBLKTR Karting

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    Check with Braden on Long Island, they do or did a lot of Ferrari work.
     

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