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Repainted Lamborghini's (or Ferrari's)

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  1. BAF1DRIVER

    BAF1DRIVER Rookie

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    I recently agreed to purchase a lamborghini from an independent dealer not affiliated with this site. When I went to pick up the car that had been described to me as having no paintwork (all origianl paint) I found out most of the car had been repainted, (not heavy body work, the car has a clean car fax) but still it was repainted some of it extremely well, some of it not so well. My two questions for this board
    A) Was I obligated to buy the car even though it was described wrong?
    B) How much does paintwork decrease the value of a Ferrari or lamborghini?
    Opinions?
     
  2. 2NA

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    It depends...............................................

    Need more information, pictures would help.
     
  3. de993

    de993 Formula Junior

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    I would say you shouldn't still be obligated to purchase the car if it was not as described. You didn't say what kind or year car. Original vs repaint on a classic car affects the value quite a bit from what I've seen. On the newer cars, it's hard to find one that hasn't been resprayed, at least on the nose due to rock chips. I would hope they have some proof that that was all it was, and that it wasn't in some type of accident. If it was only resprayed for rock chips, then it would really depend on the quality of the respray as to wether it affects the value IMHO.
     
  4. BAF1DRIVER

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    Mid 90's lambo, entire car repainted, both doors had overspray, rear grille had peeling paint, front fender repained a shade off, body work was also a bit wavy
     
  5. 2NA

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    Probably some price adjustment (there again "it depends") necessary. I would definitely look closer, forget Carfax they don't know everything.
     
  6. JohnnyS

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    I believe if there is anything that is misrepresented in the description and the contract was based on that description, the contract is null. This is where there needs to be a "meeting of the minds" in the contract. Based on the first post, the car was misrepresented as having original paint and no repainting. Since this is not true, the original contract can be null. If the potential buyer wants to entertain a $$ adjustment, that is beyond the original contract and the original contract would be altered. The buyer has the option to say no and walk away. (IMO)
     
  7. BAF1DRIVER

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    There really is no legal problem here, I said the car was misdescribed, the dealer said no problem, I went home. No contractual arguments whatsoever, it was what it was.
    Later I was accused of "bad business" , I said it was not bad business, I told the dealer I was posting this question on a enthusiast
    board to see if others agreed that paintwork significantly hurt the value and desireability of the car, that's it.
     
  8. jungathart

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    Preposterous that you were accused of anything at all. This is a window into the mindset of this dealer/dealership. I'm sure you'll have second thoughts about coming back to that place. Plenty here who would be glad to sell you an honest Lambo.
    Best.
     
  9. pdisme

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    Were they in south florida? That's where the dealers I typically hear about that kind of crap from hang out.
     
  10. FredParoutaud

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    And...that's where you have to repaint cars...

    I'm just working on a Bentley from there and it's like the car spent 20 years in a hurricane -- rust everywhere!

    Fred
     
  11. silvergts1998

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    You will find a lot of the factory paint on the early cars were less than perfect. You will see overspray and defects on some. Also these cars have a laquer type paint over it which you can not just respray any old paint over it. If you do you will have major issues. This also goes for Ferrari as well.
     
  12. charliebronson

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    You dont have to buy anything if you dont want to, especially since the car seem to have been misrepresented to you.

    -Peter
     
  13. JohnnyS

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    I believe that origional paint even if it was not perfect, is still much more desirable than a re-paint. Keeping these cars in mint condition, which means original condition off the show room floor is what many of us try to do. The value of these cars are much more than those that had been repainted. (just my 2 cents)

    However, many of us like to see a "barn find" brought back to show room condition, so a re-paint is okay if done well and completely.
     
  14. wetpet

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    I'd be surprised if there were that many diablo's that haven't had some paint. Sometimes they get it right at the dealer before delivery. my car has less than 2,500 miles and is a one owner car. I was surprised to find the driver's door had been painted. probably a garage scrape. and i repainted the front spoiler because it had a small nick on the bottom. I wouldn't consider either to reduce the price. Some of the factory paint has it's issues.
     
  15. Tony Ierardi

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    There are so many views on this subject, I almost hate to post, but here is my take:

    If a large number of cars were produced the original paint does come into play for TOP DOLLAR resale.

    If there were only a hand full made then the one or two originals will bring top money but the restored cars will not be too far behind.

    A Daytona Spider sold at RM last August brought just over ONE MILLION and it was a complete repaint.

    A lot of modern exotics have some paint work on them just from up keep and re-selling dealers.

    Most people fluff off front bumper re-sprays from stone chips.

    If your lied to when buying, that's wrong.

    But I will say that a lot of cars were touched up at the port and I have been told that by dealers and importers from coast to coast.

    Some people don't know their car has paint work because they don't know what to look for.

    I was fooled on one of my Lambo's years ago and was very emabarrased when it was pointed out to me.

    Since then I have learned how to spot it, but it has not stopped me from buying a car if it has a little touch up.
     
  16. JohnnyS

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    If the re-paint is a good job, then no problem. However, if the color doesn't match and is obvious, then the value of the car is compromized. What does it cost to re-paint an entire Diablo and do it right?
     
  17. robiferretti

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    IMO if there is no damage to any framework, or all the body panels are original and not repaired I wouldn't worry. Lost of people repaint from rock chips, door dings, scraping driveways, etc. I would only be concerned with accident repairs. Oh and car fax sucks, I know of a totaled Lamborghini Gallardo which after 3 years still doesn't show as damaged. (there was a Police report and full insurance payout)
     
  18. Hand built cars are less than perfect. If you use any car, especially one shaped like a wedge, it will need to be repainted eventually. Almost every older Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. has been repainted, or touched up. It's expected to look like new, and that's the only way to do it. Now we have the clear bra, and better paints, so it's not nearly the problem on a newer car.

    Your not wrong to not purchase once you actually saw the car and it was described wrong. It may be fair though, on both sides, to lose your deposit (or a portion) if the car if it's really a case of cold feet. Some actual pictures of your car would really help.
     
  19. Premier Protective Films

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    This is certainly why paint protection film is so important with new cars and getting it protected within 100 miles. It does help with resale prices and the ease of selling a vehicle with OEM paint.
     
  20. Scaledetails

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    $15K for the right job.
     
  21. Premier Protective Films

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    we had one of our customers repaint his Diablo for $22k. The work was good, but still saw some clearcoat runs, minor dust specs, and some fish eyes here and there.
     

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