replace engine 348 $$$

Because Honda does not make a car in the guise of a race car for the street. When you race you service the motor after every weekend and Ferrari had the same Idea when they built them. Maintenance isn't even considered a hassle on a race team.

Oh and they built cars like hondas so non mechanical people could enjoy driving too........

 

A non-interference, weak engine that gets regular exercise. Brilliant comparison.

 

got 170000 out of my Audi.

Breaking a belt is not the likely scenario, its skipping a tooth, seizing a tennsioner or otherwise affecting the valve timing. Result is the same. Can be as little as a few bent valves and as big as total over haul/replacement. Why every 3 years? I'm not touching that one other than to say Ferrari's tend to remain far more stagnant than Honda's creating issue's. The owners manual for my 348 says replace at 52.000 miles. You want to know more, search "cambelt" in this forum. Some HUGE differances of opinion.

 

Most Honda's are interference engine, BTW. They just cost less as there are millions of them!

Ace

 

By coincidence I just replaced the timing belt(s) on my wife's Accord. With less than 100k of gentle driving it was loose and had already jumped a least one cog.
Put off replacement at your own peril.

 

Back to the original question, last 348 motor I saw on eBay sold for
$25k or thereabouts. And would STILL have needed a belt service, tensioners,
etc.

Just change the belts and sleep better knowing you did.

Or buy that Honda

 

"What happens if a cam belt breaks?" (on a 348):

The 348 has one cam belt driving all four of the camshafts. If the belt breaks, the crankshaft continues to turn for a short time, and the pistons continue to go up and down, but all four cams stop turning immediately, so all 32 valves stop in whatever position they were in, open or closed. On an "interference engine", the valves (usually the exhaust valves in particular) will open far enough to come into contact with the crown of the piston if they are not timed correctly. When the piston crown strikes the head of the valve, it usually bends the valve stem, destroying the valve. In a "worst case scenario", the valve heads can actually snap off the stems, leaving the valve head to bang around in the combustion chamber, damaging or ruining the cylinder head, the piston, and perhaps the cylinder. If the belt breaks, at the very least you would have to replace the belt and any valves that had touched the pistons. At worst, you could end up with an engine that would cost well over $20K to fix.

If the belt "jumps timing", it can actually do more damage than having the belt break, because the cams continue to turn rather than stopping in place, and you could end up with ALL of the valves damaged, rather than just the ones that stopped in the wrong position. Cam belt problems can be caused by age, sloppy installation, faulty tensioners, seized water pumps, fluid contamination, broken fences on the gears, or debris from broken belt covers (plastic covers used on later 348's tend to break apart).

 

My belt broke because of loose metal fence from cam drive but it was idling at the time. Bent just 4 exhaust valves but had to pull heads, of course, and had all valve guides machined and put on all new valve stem seals. Since I did almost all of the work myself, my cost would not be representative. Total valve and machine work was <$1k, not including parts.

 

Because Honda's don't redline at 7500RPM's and run as high as 9000RPM's.

It's a Ferrari, not a Honda.

 

Really? You mean like like the Honda S2000 2.0L, 237bhp engine (i.e. the earlier F20C engine), which redlined at 8800 rpm and had a fuel cutoff at 9000 rpm? O.k., I'll give you that it's not your run of the mill Honda engine.

 

If you break a cambelt, you replace probably 8, maybe more exhaust valve and a few intake valves, and do your regular full service. Alternatively you can buy one of a zillion 348 motors that are available. Completers will set you back 8k or so. COMPLETE new crate motor on ebay just went unsold at $9k. Since 348 motors are so durable, there are quite a few laying around out of crashes. No worries. Don't let anybody scare you!

 

When I bought mine as a project it had 28/32 bent valves. No piston or liner damage thankfully. Parts were about $6K and labor was free

 

The F22C in the AP2 S2000 redlines at 8000, and bounces the rev limiter at 122mph in 5th. oops, I didn't say that. It would prolly be all right at 9000 like the F20C but too many people were missing shifts and mechanically overrevving and cracking valve retainers and dropping valves, so they nannified the limiter a bit.

But as much as I love my S2K, I garontee you I would rather have a 348.

 

Hmmm funny your asking this question, not sure if you have read about my plight right now, if not read on

WARNING! it is very depressing.

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262678

Anyhoo I have been doing some searching and have come across 5 engines, two are brand new the other three have various miles on them. Price range anywhere from 7k to 18k depending on engine swap or how much or little you need. To rebuild an engine you will more than likely be around the 25k to 35k range but you will know what you have plus retain original engine with car.

I have found more and more with the economy the way it is and the sudden high decline on price for our beloved cars that people are just trying to make their money back from their earlier purchases including engines.

 

Mine broke the same way, and I had close to 20 bent valves. Machine work + skill + money and she's all back together now.

 

With all the engine rebuild prices on this thread, it sounds like I haven't been charging enough....

 

Yeah, I'd quit my day job to do some of that work for those prices.....
Heck, an engine job for $25-35k? You can buy another car for that and keep the broken one for spares.

 

I cddan tell you that there a lot of available 348 engines for a lot less than 25K. In fact, there is a surplus of them since they seldom break.

 

it sure is comforting to hear from other than the "dark side" about this issue. I always worry about this same problem, even with a major less than one year ago. I've been "conditioned" I suspect, from what I have always read on this forum. GREAT to hear from some others......

 

6-7 K for a good used one

 

makes u sick in the tummy hearing about this