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Replacement of 308 rear deck lid expanded metal grating

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  1. dave80gtsi

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    Greetings to all. The existing OEM expanded metal wire mesh material which is mounted to the underside of my 308's rear engine hatch is in poor condition and needs to be replaced. This mesh does not appear to be a very strong material, and it has become torn at many of the perimeter edges where it was originally riveted to the hatch lid back when it was made. This seems to me to be a poor way to secure the mesh.

    I am already aware that this wire mesh is a common material, readily available at home improvement stores as sold as a reinforcement material for such applications as grout for ceramic floor tiles. But, to replace this weak material with more of the same item, only newer, does not seem to me to address future problems.

    I'm considering the idea of replacing this with a stronger material, perhaps something like a perforated sheet metal, which would then be powder coated black. But the resulting change of appearance is a mild concern, as I've never seen this done before and am concerned that the resulting change of appearance might be a bit odd looking. Or, as another idea I could simply leave it off altogether, but this might then allow small debris (leaves and such) to get through the louvers and then into the engine bay.

    So, the question: Has anyone ever replaced this OEM mesh with something "better"? If so, what did you use, how do you now like it, and would you recommend doing the same again?

    Thanks and Cheers - DM
     
  2. Dave

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    If it were me, I'd just replace it with the like material.
    It lasted 25 years on your car, my car is a 77 and the original mesh is still in good shape.
    I doubt you'll have to replace it again in your lifetime.
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

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    No experience with this, but as long as you match the "open area -to- total area" ratio a change wouldn't even be that noticeable IMO.

    What you'll find is that perforated sheets (made by punching out holes or other shapes) aren't readily available with as much open area as the sheets made by the lancing+expanding method. (JME from looking for these types of materials in a commercially-available form for other non-F projects in the past).
     
  4. Birdman

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    BTW, the stuff from Home Depot is NOT (in my opinion) an acceptable replacement material. The rows of holes in it are not straight, but wavy. The Home Depot stuff looks similar to OEM, but it is of inferior construction. I would be happy to just find a source for something that is of equal quality to the OEM stuff. Mesh for laying tile ain't it.

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  5. Meister

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    I have personally taken my mesh off. I like the look (both from outside and under the lid) without it and it makes things a lot easier to clean.
     
  6. rivee

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    The reason for the mesh to begin with, is to allow the heat from the motor to escape easier, without allowing large foreign material to enter the engine compartment. Any less sq./in. of open air space could result in your engine compartment overheating and damaging things.

    A replacement expanded metal as seen at material supply yards isn't the same shape. The "diamond" shape mesh is different than OEM. However, there are at least 2 different thickness gages of "diamond lath materials at a supplier that sells masonry and plastering supplies. One is called 1.7lbs lath and the other is 3.5lb lath. Both come in 28inch by 8 feet. The latter gage is the one you want if you decide to change to a slightly different looking material. It's made of thicker material and is more rigid. The mesh's slight difference to OEM is not too noticeable unless you have concours in mind.

    Also if you carefully select the mesh sheet, you can find one that the diamond shape holes line up straight.
     
  7. WILLIAM H

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    I removed mine also, I think the car runs cooler & it looks cooler too. Also it doesnt rattle any more
     
  8. Mike C

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    My thoughts exactly. It's in good shape on my 21 year old 308QV...
     
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    How about a picture...?
     
  10. Meister

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    I'm away from home starting tonight through sunday night, but I'll post one when I get back...stay tunned=)
     
  11. dave80gtsi

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    #11 dave80gtsi, Jul 28, 2005
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    Thanks to all who have replied on this one thus far. I know that I can always count on a wide variety of well-reasoned opinions with you all!

    As we all know, the OEM means of attachment of the original grille mesh to the deck lid underside is via a series of small pop rivets, spaced around the perimeter at various locations. Since the mesh holding area of these rivets is small, and also since the wire mesh itself is of relatively thin gauge thickness, my old mesh has torn, one strand at a time, at nearly all of the rivet locations. I suspect that this is due to a combination of years of deck lid slamming, rattling vibration, and simple metal fatigue.

    Here's a shot of my current "mesh-less" look. Part of me does like the resulting open appearance, and since no other louvres on the car have a similar backing mesh, it does in one aspect seem appropriate to the car. But, then again, it also strikes me as a trifle "exposed", so I am examining my various options for something better.

    I'm not an OEM concours fanatic, so the idea of using a higher strength perforated sheet metal with a sufficient percentage open area is about the best "upgrade" idea which I had come to thus far. But I do like the general concept of simply using a heavier gauge wire mesh if I can locate something appropriate ... thus my posting in the first place in hopes of soliciting "Been There Done That" stories!

    Thanks and Cheers - DM

    P.S. (and off-topic) - Scott, I've since had a large number of folks look at my newly swapped VDO gauges, and the response has been overwhelmingly positive! Great minds do tend to think alike, eh?

    P.P.S. (and wandering even further off-topic) - I was able to drive this car today for the first time in about three (3) weeks, and was reminded once again just how much outright -- fun -- this car is to drive! I've now owned this car for over two (2) years, and it seems just like yesterday when I bought it. I now sincerely regret that I did not purchase one of these far earlier in my life, as I've now lost out on years of potential enjoyment with this car that I might have once had! ( ... but, then, I suppose that I'm preaching to the choir here, right?)
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    #12 dave80gtsi, Jul 28, 2005
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    Here's a scan of a local steel fabricator's offering in flattened expanded metal. (I've never tried to post a .pdf file here, so I simply photographed the pair of relevant pages with a digital camera ... hope it is clear enough for you all to read). You can see that there's a bit of a variety of this kind of stuff out there and readily available.

    No, I have not yet measured the OEM metal mesh that we all have so to see where it would fit into this table, but that's obviously the next step for me to do this upcoming weekend.

    I can report back accordingly, if there is still sufficient interest expressed in keeping this thread alive.

    Enjoy! - DM
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    #13 Meister, Aug 1, 2005
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    While my engine compartment is not as clean as Dave's, here's my car viewed for out and in.

    (Dave) I haven't had my car around too many people who are ferrari "smart" and don't even notice the VDO gauges. It's a great mod and I personally feel more comfortable with the new (and a lot brighter) gauges. Great minds do think alike...=)
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    i really like the way that looks........... hmmmmmmmm :)
     

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