Likely Q3 or Q4 2025 reveal. AFTER the 296 VS reveal which is likely Q1 or Q2 2025. Deliveries of both likely starting in 2026
I'm actually expecting they'd be in the opposite order. Q1/Q2 for SF90 refresh, then Q2/Q3 for 296VS and Q4 for the EV. Purely a guess on my part - what makes you think the 296VS comes first?
I’m hearing the same model release times as Forza Scuderia. 296VS coupe (and spider) will be announced in March/April 2025; Roma replacement will be shown in July 2025; SF90 replacement unveiled in September 2025; full battery electric vehicle announcement in October 2025.
I think the state of undress on the 296 VS mule is the poker tell that its official reveal is imminent versus the still heavy camo on the SF90 replacement.
2025 a vintage year of significant introductions for sure. To get more powerful versions of the 296 and SF90 plus the intriguing and sure to confound the skeptics Ferrari EV. Refreshed Roma is the yawner of the bunch but the other 3 are so POW POW that who can complain? It’s a get out the popcorn year for Ferrari lovers! I predict a much better than expected debut for the models being introduced this year, compared to 2024’s crop of the 12C and F80, both of which, let’s face it … were disappointments to expectations … and compared to what those cars COULD have been …
Ha I viewed it the other way around - full camo on the SF90 replacement tells me the body is done under there, whereas the 296VS mules lately seem uncovered. We'll find out in a couple months! I do hope the 296VS is first.
I understand your logic but that’s not how it goes. Go back and look at various stages of mule camo for recent examples such as the 12C and the F80. They were basically revealed in their final form just with an optical wrap, a few weeks before their official reveal.
Not sure what new clues can be gleaned from these images but I really get the sense this is going to be an epic car. I feel that Ferrari is set out to “right all the wrongs” of the not-up-to-its-potential SF90. Sure we will get a power bump to approx 1,050 bhp, cleaned up and all around superior body styling, a slightly reworked interior with less haptics and more switches, and improved traction control system and possibly even more comfortable ride in some settings, and slightly sharper handling with the manettino dialed the opposite way. And my brothers, isn’t all that more than enough? Take my money.
"I feel Ferrari is set out to Right all the wrongs" How? The F80 is Ferrari Halo. If they were going to do that, it would have started there. But instead (V6 etc aside) the coachwork lacks Ferrari & Italian style, class and DNA. Now that the EV issue in the USA has been put to death, it's become an even more important market, and Ferrari is in no real position to capitalise. Specially from an Engine (No new V12 and No non turbo V8s point. Or their current line up design language being far from desirable. If more Countries use common sense and follow suit. Ferrari is in Serious trouble. But the board don't care they have already filled their pockets and will ride the gravy train till its dry with no care of what become of Ferrari.
These are just your thoughts. Respectable, as they may be, it doesn't mean they hold true for other people. The F80 is a technical masterpiece, there is no doubt about this!!! Looks are subjective.
I hold an A level Master of Design, so they are a little more than just that. "Looks are subjective" To a point. more on a personal level. but a trained eye/ professional / Collector can see though that. I have discussed in detail with many. more seem to share my feelings than not. I know of someone that getting it to basically keep Ferrari's happy so they can hold their exclusive spot. Another not a massive fan but it's a nice status symbol. The rest Love or like it for their own personal reasons. all good reasons. From an engineering point of view what they did with the V6 and how they tightly package it all is incredible. But Masterpiece NO. In part because it has many issues most are repeats of ongoing Ferrari issues. to highlight a coupe. Outright weight, Lack of real hybrid power vs the weight and space costs. The Coachwork is not Ferrari or Italian. It's not a thing of beauty or easy on the eye, nor is it shape or feel organic. It's basically an Apple car. A mix of new and older technology packaged in an unimaginative and sterile form lacking feeling and emotion. These are the raw facts. The LaFerrari overall was the better of the last Generation. Beautiful, Amazing sound, well packaged, V12, great performance it embodied the term hypercar the best. So far, the W1 is the better of the current Generation
Good for you, mate. I hold a University Master's Degree in Human Resources Management, which was also known back then (late nineteens-early noughties, jeez, I am getting old...) as Organisational Behaviour, but I am not stipulating to people how they should behave... Thus., I shall maintain that what you like is your own personal view, which I respect, but with which I don't agree. Even a master designer, like Chris Bangle - let alone you my dear sir, cannot convince me that his 2001 BMW 7 Series (E65) is a nice design, but then again, this is just my own humble opinion. How would you know all that? Are you also an engineer, who worked on this project? Its weight is no more than the claimed weight of the W1, which is a much simpler car, not to mention the relevant new Bugatti. So, you are psychologist-psychic too, now, who knows how others feel? Wow, I wish my unis had such courses. Damn them Middlesex, London and Bournemouth universities, for being woefully sub-par. Based on you testing it against the competition?
Welcome to the group. Perhaps you can show us pictures of your Ferrari collection in an effort for us to know you a bit better?
I am assuming the designers employed by one of the most recognised car manufacturers in the world are equally educated and qualified such as yourself, you’d expect with so many resources the crème de la crème would end up working there but according to you they did a garbage job so that begs the question, why would the mere mortals be convinced that you are in a better position than them to qualify what good design is when you claimed the pro designers failed at their job ? Design is subjective, engineering is proven in testing by metrics, you can not tell one what to like and what looks good because it’s not up to you to make that call on their behalf, you can argue metrics and performance using testing as base of your arguments but not design, design can not be force fed, as you are entitled to your opinion so is everyone else, they should’ve thought you that before they stamped your A Level Master of Design Diploma. Having said that I love design and I wouldn’t mind seeing something you have designed if you don’t mind sharing.
We are just going to go round in circle. I have better things to do than play silly kid's games with undertones.
There are many here that know me already. I was active on the site for about 15 years, then life does its thing. Now things are more relaxed so I thought it would be nice to rejoin. But clearly, we still have people like you that try so hard. Life I guess lol
All that you just said is opinion and subjective too. All automotive brands have designers etc they can't all be the creme de la creme. I am not telling anyone how to think you guys lmao you need to get out more. I am just firm on my opinion, and no one has offered anything yet for me to think otherwise. All I have seen is how big is your... What do you know... etc etc
That's true it is my opinion but it's based on personal experience as I have met and worked (on my cars) with a few of the designers from top automotive brands and the guys who work for Ferrari, Lamborghini are at the top of their game, also logic and common sense dictates that talent and huge resources attract talent, are these guys restricted by engineering, marketing, management, bean counters etc. and their full creativity might not be able to be unleashed? Yes they are, there is no doubt, it's one of their biggest complaints but just like architects, some of their designs even though emazing sometimes are not grounded in reality so yes it is my opinion but I have some sort of base for making it. As for you and why everyone is asking questions about your abilities and knowledge, you came in here telling everyone "Trust me I am a Doctor" all we want to know is are you a neurosurgeon or a Jill Biden type of doctor, I think that's fair, so which are you?
I’m not saying I am any better or worse than anyone else. But don’t try to drop the layman card on me. As I was only speaking of the design with the professional insight I have. Nothing more nothing less. AN INFOMED PERSONAL OPINION. Engineer side was totally personal. I can’t say I remember you or your posts from years past. But it sounds like you have some amazing experience with those guys. If there are any threads where you have shared some of those, please direct me as to them. I am very big on hearing people’s tales of life and experiences especially automotive. On the topic at hand. If you have some direct insight from one of the F80s design team. I would generally love to hear it. I am not that level of VIP so I am not on that list, nor will I pretend I am. I am an upfront in your face kind that speaks from both my head & heart at the same time with the insight and knowledge I have earned. I don’t pretend to be something I am not, nor do I try to manipulate and control the narrative. In short Neurosurgeon with Gusto... All the best
Got it. So, you show up after a fifteen year hiatus, and in broken English, make it a point to highlight your design prowess…for something entirely subjective?! Indeed, you’re off to a great start
I do not share anything online in an open forum other than what I consider to be harmless in order to protect my privacy and the privacy of my loved ones but still enough so I can have some fun when it comes to my car hobby, it's not always easy to find balance or to stay private because these cars are often "loud" ostentation and stand out like a sore thumb and ultimately it's hard to keep things to yourself, of course while present online you make the usual friends and haters at the same time, I try to be myself 100% of the time, not be fake or put on a persona or pretend that I am someone who I am not, some don't like that and TBH could not care any less and as you spoke from your heart so did I. As for my experiences with designers, I attend numerous events with Ferrari and Lamborghini (my absolute passion and outlet), participate in some of their racing programs, have the ability to meet the designers, engineers, and some other key personnel, in some cases have the opportunity to see future models before their release dates, talk to the people who designed them and see what their vision and challenges are/were, provide feedback from a buyer's perspective if/when asked, etc. I also own a number of cars from various brands, street and race cars and in most instances I get very involved with speccing them because I am passionate about it. That is the reason why I asked what you design, I respect the creative and I was just curious and also adds validity to your arguments. As for the F80 I do not have any insight from anyone in the design team, I haven't been offered one therefore I did not take too much interest or worry about it, I know as much as you and anyone else does sorry I can not help you with that. Take care and all the best
SF90 will become very popular when the successor is presented. The design from the front is clearly more reminiscent of a Formula 1 car with the pointed front than the current models such as 12 cilindri, 296, SP3. I am curious
I also think replacement will not sound as good ….I believe different regulations compared to original SF90 and more crazy mandatory things, definitely will cost more and waiting time? I’m assuming first rounds will go to SF90 current owners? Will most wait for 3yrs or so for car to be produced ? Especially if price drops on them while waiting for the car
