Replicas, why bother ??

Agree as long as people are not fiddling with VIN Tags and serial numbers.

Pete
ps: Shame on you SCEye. Every close to accurate 250GTO replica requires the destruction of a real, historically correct, Ferrari ... not cool man, not cool.

 

Are you serious? If you are, well that pretty much summarizes the mindset of the replica folk

 

Can you give a single good reason why a homemade replica is any different than having Ferrari Classic fabricate you a new components?

Why is one considered a replica while the other is considered an original?

 

If Ferrari makes a car, it's a Ferrari, and it's "original."

If Ferrari restores a Ferrari, it's still a Ferrari, but it's now "restored".

If someone else makes a car that resembles a Ferrari design, it's not a Ferrari. It's a "replica" or "fake".

It's likely impossible to explain this more clearly. If the concept of a Ferrari as a somewhat special car isn't your thing, why are you reading/posting here?

 

I have to disagree there. The original of anything does and should always hold a higher value than a copy. The copy has a value higher than 0 in most cases but never should equal the value orlfthe genuine article.

 

I knew the excuses where going to start.... It's the same concept but with cars instead of boobs.

You can't put a trademark on a shape. Sure selling Lamborghini Replicas as "Lamborghini's" is indeed illegal BUT Most are marketed as something else. Example the Murcielago=Mercy in the kitcar world so technically its not illegal.

You might wanna seriously go protest at walmart. They technically retail a bunch of "Fake" products and often steal from the little man.

 

Art replicas are dirt cheap. The originals may be worth millions.

When starting out we bought art replicas. They looked nice and were well within our budget. My mother was an artist and started giving us some of her work. At some point I decided only to buy original art. They are all one of a kind from artists nobody has heard of but I enjoy the uniqueness of our modest "collection". We only buy art we love but it has to be original...not a copy or a print. My one exception is a print of Schumi winning Monte Carlo in an Fcar and is in my office. But it is signed by Schumi.

I would never think of owning a replica car. Would feel like a total poser.

 

LOL. How about you provide me with a reason to spend more money on a Real 308 than build a Replica that does just the same just cheaper. More reliable?

Is it the Resale Value?

The paper work for barrett jackson that its real?

To brag its real.

I'm not sold on the idea of spending more just to say its all original when I could go out and build one thats just as good if not better for much less.

I think I could have more fun with a Prova Countach knowing I could Twin Turbo it, drive the hell out of it and not give a #### about the value. I'm never going to sell it. And besides I can also get it smog exempt and you should know how priceless that is here in Cali. Ultimately a car that meets my personal needs.

You probably can't do that with a real Countach.

 

I'm not about to pay several Millions for a piece of art work when I could go out and get the same print for just pennies on the dollar. I want the Mona Lisa in my Kitchen. If id put the real deal painting there I'm sure the elitists would still complain because of the amount of abuse it will under go for instance. Same could be said about a kit car.

If I could build a Cobra Kit car, race it, have fun who cares if its original or not? Lets say I took a Real Cobra thats worth millions of dollars and took it out the track I'm sure someone out there would be like WTF he's doing out here with that car?! He needs to leave that in a muesum or a private collection and preserve it. Eitherway whether I bought an original or built a replica someone out there is going to cry about it.

If building a Replica makes me a poser, so be it. I'm sure you're posing just as bad if not worse than me some where in your life, whether its your car or your walmart brand products or non Levi Jeans made by Wrangler....... It's better that I'm having fun beating the crap out of a Replica than taking an original relic and destroying it is my point.

 

If the purpose is to sell as original, then yes. A buyer should not have to determine if the car is real.

 

Yes but in a real Countach you don't need to pretend you own a real one as you drive around.

It's sort of like screwing a rubber doll made out to look like a porn star. The final result may be the same but its not something you're going to be bragging about to your buddies over a cold beer.

That would take screwing a real porn star to do.

 

Not sure I'd brag about either - sort of an odd analogy.

A good replica in my mind is a pretty expensive proposition, too, as the craftsmanship and parts and materials really add up, so for example I can't imagine being able to build a nice Countach replica for appreciably less than a Countach. Now doing a 250 GTO or P4 might be worth the expense and I do think I'd be willing to have one, done right.

That said, I think replicas are generally bad investments and I'd rather use my money for whatever real car I can afford, in the hope that I can get more back out later. But I respect the well done replica, especially the DIY version that shows serious time and craftsmanship.

To me, replicas become wrong when intentionally passed off as real.

And the other big problem is businesses making replicas and trading on the goodwill, design, and engineering of others like Ferrari or Shelby.

But I can't agree with a blanket statement that replicas should be stamped out.

 

Why is it a bad analogy. When you drive a replica, you're pretending or fantasing to own a real one.

This is the height of poser-ness. Under the body is just a car. It drives the same and feels the same.

Put on a fake body and suddenly its like you're Steve McQueen driving a 427 Cobra. Zoom!

I see no difference.

For all the whining that goes on about who F car owners being posers who wipe their garage queens with diapers, replica owners are ten times worse.

At least when real owners drive their cars they don't need to explain what it "really is" when asked.

"It's not a REAL Countach but its better!"

Yah.... Right.

 

It's a bad analogy because most wouldn't brag about sleeping with a porn star. Also, I highly doubt the experience would be the same, unlike the car. Poor analogy.

What if it really is a Ferrari using Ferrari parts? What is it then? A Ferrari replica of a Ferrari?

What if I order up all of the parts needed to build a brand new 355 from Ricambi and put it together in my garage, is that stealing?

 

In honor of this thread, I am wearing my replica Omega Seamaster today.

 

REAL VS. REPLICA DEBATE, IMO - "...telling guys on here that fake means worthless, is like arguing with guys about fake boobs. If you can see them, touch them, enjoy them, and be proud of them, for most....they're real enough." - RUSHAVED

I've known two people that own Lamborghini Countaches. Both have replicas of their respective cars and both prefer the replica to the real. The reason being the replicas were 'more reliable, more fun and more economical'.

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The name of the game is FUN and some of you need to relax...We are just talking about cars here.

I've had a 308 kitcar for 20 years and I did it because I liked the look and cost....plus it still holds it value today. It is fast and quick with a Vortech G9 supercharger and looks great too.

I used to run with the real 308s all the time on the GTA highways and got to drive a real 328 once after a neighbour took me for a ride in his. It was a very exciting ride - those 328s can really scream and haul azz! After driving the 328, I was very pleased with my own car and that was before the SC install.

Another friend built a Lambo Countach replica and put a ton of money into it - real glass, wheels, Corvette motor, etc, but the car is not as comfortable to me as mine is. He eventually took the Vette motor out and put the 2.8 back in.......go figure.....

Years ago I went to an indy Ferrari shop and the guy running it, told me I did the 'smart thing' building a replica; because 'you need to have $5k ready for anytime something goes wrong with a 308 and $15k for anytime with a 512BB'. Speaking of the 512BB, my neighbour's wife always thought my car was real and rang my bell one sunday afternoon accompanied by a co-worker of hers, who happened to own a Fly Yellow 308 (which he was doing a frame off restoration on) and a 512 BB. He had the 512 BB next door......Long story - short, he took me for a ride and it was very nice and all, with good sounds and fine leather, plus exquisite to look at; but, the seats were uncomfortable for me, so I knew that on a personal level there would be very little pleasure in owning one as a result.

My opinion is that the replicas are REAL fun and REAL inexpensive compared to the models they replicate and that's all that matters!

 

So, your replica deceived your neighbor, and a real Ferrari wasn't as comfortable as your replica. And, a Corvette engine is basically the same as Lamborghini V12.

One could ask, why does Ferrari even bother to make cars when you can get something cheaper and more comfortable?

 

I can't help but envision Jermeny Clarkson saying this phrase

 

An intelligent buyer will ALWAYS determine to the best of their ability if a car is real or not before putting out the cash. You would be amazed how many people don't even know what they have. And if you don't know what to look for you better find someone with the knowledge to help out.

 

That answer is easy and the same for kit or replica builders -- because they want to do it, they like to do it and they can do it!

 

Yeah I can hear it, actually.

We need Jeremy to post here to explain to the replica fans what a Ferrari is all about.

 

Beyond the "it's cheap and fun" factor, you really don't see the difference between a car Ferrari designs, engineers and builds and a kit car that you assemble with your kid in your garage based on a design ripped-off from Ferrari?

 

This whole thread is full of you making statements as if they are FACTS, when they are actually your OPINION. There is a difference. Once again you have stated something that is completely false. I have driven a replica so I know. If you have driven a replica and had fantasies of driving the real thing, then what you're stating is true and I apologize.

I can sum up this whole thread -----> Some people don't like replicas.

That's it. There is no need to make up reasons why they don't like them, they just don't. Legal, financial, moral, whatever. Why try and justify what you like or don't like? You are entitled to your opinion. To try and make up reasons to support your viewpoint is just getting ridiculous.

Rick

 

No, the rubber doll is not a fair analogy.

It would be like being a plastic surgeon, having a patient that wanted to look like Marilyn Chambers, doing the work yourself, taking her to a party and introducing her as Mary Ann Caverns, then taking her home and phucking her every which way from Sunday, knowing full well that she is disease free and will be ready for more action in the morning.

Plus, no pre-nup, no Paparazzi, and when your jealous neighbor comes over you can tell him "relax man, she's not a real porn star."

 

One day I hope to own a 328 converted to 288GTO look.

The 288 GTO is my favorite car and since Ill never be able to afford one that will suffice. I dont really care about the performance, its all about the look to me.

So owning a replica of the 288GTO is the same as owning a print of a Monet since i cant afford the Monet itself.

Having said that I'll be very honest about it being a converted 328.