Replicas, why bother ??

And there is nothing wrong with it. Replicas may only be about appearances, but appearance is quite possibly the most important part of a car.

I'd say the number one reason for the vast majority of exotic car purchases comes down to looks. No one is buying cars that they don't like the look of. I don't know a single person who wants to own a car they think is ugly, regardless of value and history.

Look at all the kids who had Countach posters on the wall. They had no concept of what it was like to drive. It had no racing history. It was just super cool looking.

People who like replicas are no different than people who like originals. They have their own criteria and values.

Different strokes for different folk.

And that's where the original-people falter -- they actually put down replicas for the same reasons they value originals. You can't argue that your values are more correct than someone else's. You value history, they value looks. Not everyone cares about the same things to the same extent. I buy my friend 10 pairs of knock-off Raybans every time I return from Asia because he likes how they look on him. He could afford to buy real ones, but he sees no difference between them. With these he can lose them, break them, give them to someone, have a pair in his car/house/wherever. Cheaper and satisfied.

Replica people on the other hand have no problems with originals and understand the desire for them. They appreciate them. Why can't the original crowd appreciate replicas for what they are?

 

You're kidding me, right. You ask such a bizarre question about using aftermarket parts and say I'm trolling? You just don't like to lose. If you had a legitimate question I would answer it in a respectful way. If its a dumb question I don't waste my time.

Hey. I understand there's a sale on fake diamond rings on HSN. You might be interested. Apparently owning fake stuff is right up your ally. Those cubic zirconiums will fool most.

The few that they won't shouldn't laugh too hard.

 

You can't be able to say that with a straight face if you have seen the Crappy Replicas Thread. There is just no way!

 

Wow. Using Walmart as a justification to knock off someone's work. This thread reaches a new low.

Are you guys listening to yourselves?


Please someone. Make a fake P4/5. I won't to see how quickly Jim's lawyers step on your asses.

Stealing us only fun if you don't know or don't care about the mark.

 

And you wouldn't get any nods from me if you were driving around in a rusted out, wrecked GTO either. You can't judge based worst ones. I don't think anyone in this thread was talking about bad looking replicas.

 

A fake doamond ring is not crystalised carbon, so its not a copy of the real thing. Its a fiberglass GM v6 countach at best.

But everybody likes fake pearls. Know why? There are no real pearls. All pearls today are from seeded oysters in a farm. A real pearl requires opening hundreds if not thousands of oysters to find one pearl made by chance from a grain of sand stuck inside an oyster.

In the pearl market today, vaue is assigned based amongst a number of factors, one of which is how much pearl material is laid over a core seed. The bigger the core seed the bigger the pearl but less pearl material.

As to fake jewlery its all bout look and your inner knowledge. They have no mechanical funtion, the pleasure comes from value and look, so uest with fake jewlery you can fake the xpression of value, and I assume that is intent. With a recreation, mostly that is not the intent at all, its all about inner pleasure, which btw is why peple back in the day bought ferraris before the pose crowd could get an paddle crap so they could be talentless drivers and pose around displaying how much their sheild fetooned spider cost.

Bit if you want to debate jewlery, most of which is not trademark protected, I am happy to do so.
Lets talk cultured emeralds and rubies. Far superior to the natural kind, very little sale, comnsumers mostly want the real from the ground item. There are reasons for this, a lot has to do with value, if youre goimng to own an emerald its has no value if its not real, and 50% of the reason for jewlery if not more is value.

In the case of a car amongst drivers and enthisiasts value is a large back seat to pleasure of operation. That is why putting ahemi engine in a cuda convertible is cool, you can dirve it to your hearts content, you are not depreciating one of 200 or however rare they are and the "originals" keep their value going up through perfect restoration or preservation. Meanwhiue you get to drive an indistinguishable hemi cuda conveertible, and mostly people assume its a conversion from a lesser car, which to drive and experience makes it no less desireable.

 

Thought about this thread on my way to work today. Stopped at Starbucks and a 60s-ish guy on a BMW motorcycle stopped at my car and asked about it. I gave him the canned answer: it's a kit my father and I put together. "What's it a replica of?"

So here is a guy from the era, a guy that is a at least a little bit of a gear head (well used, ST BMW, probably 10 years old), and he has NO IDEA what a Cobra is, real or fake. That, folks, represents 99% of the population.

It's like being upset about showing a fake Picasso to someone that has never, ever, heard of Picasso.

I had a nice drive in, parked the car in the hospital lot. I could not do that with a real Cobra, I could not do that with a GTO, and I will not do that with my 355. The "kit" is completely disarming, universally liked (well, so far in person it has been), unpretentious. People think my 355 is worth 200k, and no manner of explanation will convince them otherwise. Owning a Ferrari is NOT a well received fact in the medical world, or in a small town, not in this economy.

I say it again: NOT enjoying this car, NOT building it, NOT diving it at every opportunity, because it upsets a fraction of a percent of people while doing no real harm to anyone, would be ludicrous.

Looking forward to my drive home already.
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Aftermarket parts? I didn't say anything about aftermarket parts. I said if you use all Ferrari parts is it still a fake, phony car? It's certainly not stealing anything and it's not pretending to be Ferrari parts, but according to you guys even if it's 100% Ferrari parts, it's a fake.

What about the Telacrest P4? Is that a fake because the body isn't original?

How about the 365 GTB/4 that was completey destroyed and had a complete, correct spider body put on it during restoration? Also a fake and phony? Are the owners of those cars posers?

 

Making a correct p4/5 would be ridiculously expensive. If someone were to do so after the 14 year design patent window, I'm not sure what Jim could do about it. After all, the p4/5 is a knock off of the Maserati birdcage in shape....

And according to Jim, Ferrari did make a knock off - LaFerrari.

 

Mayor and Bullfighter still have not answered my Question about the prewar Auto Union GP cars, comisioned by Audi but built by Croswaite in the UK, Audi had an old build which they used as patterns for the new builds. the old builds are preserved ina meuseum and the new builds run, pointing to the necessity of recreations.. Or the Astion zagato Santion 2, comisisiooned by Aston but buiolt by RS williams.Or what about the Lancia D50.

So these are licensed builds, Highly regarded by all and sundry in the cLassic car community, but new builds under license.

How exactly is this different to a SPF GT40, also built under license.

Is the objection that we all know Audi made their own knokoffs, and someoen might be fooled by me in a GT40. I think if yous ee a GT40 the first assumption is its a new build. The second assumption is if it claims to be original and is being run, the only original bits are the dtata plate.

Old build GT40's have a very intricate tub, none of which was rust proffed and all of which was very good at trapping water. If these cars have been run they are more than likely retubbed, and if raced probably have more than a few repalcement body pannels. So does the cjasis plate make then original. How about all the racing Maclrens, you know the ones advertiosed as retubbed with spare body moulds, and we know the suspension uprights were magensium so that parts not original.

What is being objected to here is increasing the population of a long dead from production car.

those who say driving these cars is posing should look in the mirror. Most of us here apparently dont own fast cars for a other people to look at, we own them for our own driving enjoyment.

But if you owned a 458 for say 500 miles and then sold it because the $ numbers worked in your favor I am guessing that owning the 458 was for different reasons and motivations as to why I might own one. If you thought that paddle crap was a gift from the future, you might have different criteria for drivign enjoyment than I do. If you think anyone who still wants a raw car with a stick is old fashioned then perhaps you dont understand why anyone would want an old fashioned car, newly built to run hard. Hence perhaps the larger difference in prespective when it comes to cars.

I suggest eveyone watch the Leno video I poted prior on the pur sang bugatti.

 

Thank you. I think you summed it up best.

 

This is also very telling.

If you respect Bausch & Lomb or Ray Ban, you would recognize that buying forgeries instead of the authentic item is supporting theft of intellectual property. Yes, Ray Ban aviators have been around for many decades, but it's B&L's design. Someone decided it was OK to steal it because the design looks good and "it's not hurting B&L" because (insert rationalization here). You're validating that decision.

I've bought the real ones, and paid more than I would have for a pair of replicas. But there is an integrity to the transaction.

I suspect the authentic versus fake debate hinges on how someone reacts to the "cheap and looks good" argument.

I don't buy it. I wish Ray Bans and Ferraris were cheaper, but they're not, and the economy depends on all or most of us respecting intellectual property. If that means I have to get a 360 instead of a Daytona, then so be it.

 

The only owner of a real Cobra I know of has a FFR Cobra as well, body work was done by the same folks that painted ours. He drives both quite often.

 

I was at a car show in Beverly Hills a few years ago, along Santa Monica Blvd. and there was this young lady about 25 who was the spitting image of Marilyn Monroe and said she in fact made her living as a Marilyn impersonator.I got to talking to her and strolling arm and arm and even though I knew the real Marilyn was at that moment in time a-molderin' away in her grave, I felt on top of the world, a lady that beautiful paying attention to me, and like I was channeling the original. I think in one of those Ferrari replicas that uses a real V-12 like a GTE rebodied as a GTO, you are as close as most of us are going to get in replicating the experience...I lost that lady's business card but strolling about with her was right up there with my ride in the 250GTO borrowed by a colleague at Motor Trend when they were only $90,000 cars...

 

Perfectly said!! Who are the real enthusists, the few who happen to have the coin and purchase the cars only to have thier "hey boys" roll them out for a California show that only the invited can attend or the craftsmen who labor in their garages well into the night, that have perm grease and paint stains under the fingernails. I love the real things but feel kudos need to be given to those that appreciate the art and participate in the creating no matter how.

 

If a genuine Ferrari or Countach is such a crummy car, why do the kit car poseurs want to build cars that look like them?

V1Skull has used the specious Wal-Mart argument before. He's never answered the question above.

As far as I can tell, he's never built a replica of anything, nor does he own any genuine Ferraris or Lamborghinis; he's evidently just a troll who posts primarily on the replica threads to annoy those of us who actually appreciate Ferraris.

His poor grasp of logic, inability to spell, and deliberate lack of respect for Ferraris lead me to suspect that he's about fourteen years old.

I recommend that nobody respond to his trolling.

 

But that's not the point. The point is... would you be willing to knock off that design just because you like it?

That's what you guys are talking about. The hypocrisy is running thick in this thread.

No, I would not knock off Jim but I would knock off Lamborghini, Ferrari, Shelby, Dodge, etc.

No, I would not wear a fake watch but I would drive a fake car.

No, I believe in preserving intellectual properties such as music, movies, and software -- but not car designs. Why? Well, I like car designs.

 

Here's Fchat's version of a caveman.

"Me no like paddle. Me like stick. Stick good. Paddle crap. Me hate everyone because everyone love paddles. Me sad and upset at world!"

Please... .once again you try to bring up more straw dogs instead of answering the question---

Why does anyone need a fake Ferrari or for that matter, want to drive one around like the world's biggest poser of all time?

"Look at me! I'm driving a GTO!"

How incredibly lame.

 

Probably the SADDEST post in this entire thread. The Cobra is so generic now, even people who don't know what it is own one.

The Cobra has become the Prius of the sports car world. You don't even know what it is anymore, or care.

 

I didn't say I wouldn't knock off Jim's car, if I really wanted to drive p4/5 it would be my only avenue as there are none available. I wouldn't particularly go that route as it doesn't appeal to me as much as other cars that would also be far less expensive to either buy or build.

The question was, is a car built with all Ferrari parts a fake, knockoff, clone whatever and the driver a poser? How do you feel about the telacrest P4, the 365 GTB/4 that is now a spyder etc?

 

Because it's not about being seen in it, it's about driving it. You're of the mentality that it's all about image, the guys that have to have scuderia shields on their convertibles, make sure to drive around in the lowest gear possible so everyone can hear their car screaming etc. I just like to drive my car and experience it, as I would a 250 GTO. Now, if my choice is to sit back and wait 5 years for one to pop up for sale and then drop 20 million on it or cut a check for $600k and get a nut and bolt recreation in a few months, if I don't give a crap who farted in it in 1963, why would I spend 20 million? Just so I can impress you? Which is more poser, RL's over restored 250 GTO that probably never gets driven or the 250 GTO clone that gets hammered on the track?

 

Guess what? If Jim never sells or lets you drive his P4/5, you will never get to drive one. PERIOD! Making a fake is not a way to get to drive it. Is this the way you people really think?

 

That's fine, as I said it would be insanely expensive to do anyway. If I were to drop that much coin I'd just have my own custom car built to my tastes, not his. We're not talking about Jim's car and it is currently (presumably) protected by design patent anyway so it'd be illegal.

However, if I had an enzo lying around that I ended up wrecking, maybe I'd build something similar. Would it be a clone/fake/poser car because I built a custom car on an enzo chassis just like Jim did?

 

would you guys like a Norwood p4-575 if it had different clothes?

 

Apparently it is.