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Request for Car ID on color design draft.

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  1. Bodin303

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    Hello Everyone,

    I possess an original drafting design by Giovanni Michelotti, specifically design number 5 for a Vignale model. We are seeking your assistance in identifying the specific Ferrari depicted in the accompanying photo.

    Here is what we know so far:
    - It is Design #5
    - Created by Michelotti for Vignale coachwork
    - The year of the design is 1953
    - It represents one of the earliest, if not the first, productions featuring the “egg crate grill for Vignale”
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    - The owner recalls seeing this car at the Cavallino Classic in Palm Beach, however, we have not been able to locate any references to a green Ferrari in any of the Cavallino magazines we have reviewed.

    My research has led to the following theories:
    - We discovered a stunning gold-colored Ferrari 250 Europa that matches the grill, fender, and general body style.
    - There is also a yellow 1953 Ferrari 375 America Coupé, but the fenders do not align with the vehicle in question.

    We would like to open this query to the broader community to gather your insights and opinions.


    Thank you for your assistance.
    Andrew Braun
     

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  2. Bodin303

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    As a note I think Torino is the city Turin in Italy, However that is Pininfarina's design house.
     
  3. Aardy

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  4. Marcel Massini

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    0334 MM was completed by the factory on 17 June 1953 which is the first half of 1953.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  5. Aardy

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    Anyway, both drawings above make thinking to the 0334MM's design...
     
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  6. Bodin303

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    Thank you for giving me the rough draft or the scratch that helped us ID it / You IDing it for me. I appreciate your support.

    Marcel, your expertise is always appreciate I wish you well.
     
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  7. Bodin303

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    I just went back and looked at it, if the design draft is in green and working under the premise that this is original (we believe it to be) wouldn't the finished model be the same color as the draft? Additionally, the draft date is 7-7, 2 months after the cars completion. Though I see the resemblance, the dates aren't lining up, its either a different car or a 2nd hand drawing(with a forged signature/printed). The owner swears he saw the car at a Cavallino event.
     
  8. Aardy

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    Marcel gave the production date for 0334MM (17 June 1953). I'm convinced it was the date when the complete frame with engine was sent to the coachbuilder.
    At this date, the design was not decided and Michelotti made several proposals to fix the definitive design. 0334MM must have been finished in the second half of 1954.
     
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  10. Aardy

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    #11 Aardy, Mar 2, 2025
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    0359GT is a good example regarding the production date : 23 August 1954.
    But we all know Princess Liliane de Réthy took delivery of his car only in early 1955.
    I maintain both drawings in this thread are proposals for 0334MM…
     
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  11. Aardy

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  12. kare

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    Construction of bodies for 0338MM, 0340MM and 0344MM were all started in June 1953 by Pinin Farina, so you are absolutely right here.
     
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  13. Bodin303

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    Hello Aardy,

    Thank you for your insightful thoughts on this matter. I have read the article and appreciate the engaging discussion. Regarding my painting, the background is Texaco. If this is one of the secondary prints for the advertisements, they did not include a model in the picture for the dresses. Alternatively, it could be a one-off production alternative that was not selected for the final design if it involves the 0334MM car. I believe it is, and I concur, although the owner disagrees.

    Regarding Kare, if we disregard the coach builder's name, the production date of July 7th makes sense. If the chassis and engine were delivered a month earlier and considering the limited number of cars being manufactured during that period, they could have been finalizing the coach in early July. This explanation aligns with my understanding.
     
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  14. Aardy

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    Here is another Michelotti’s proposal from the same period than your drawing.
     
  15. Bodin303

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    @Aardy

    I appreciate the second and third drawings. Upon closely examining my drawing, I had a few concerns regarding the Ferrari symbol, the Vignale symbol, and their respective placements. Specifically, I found it challenging to reconcile the three skirt hairs on the upper and lower parts of the tail, as well as the separation of the Vignale symbol from the dash and its relative position to the Ferrari logo. Having a relatively clear second photograph has put my mind at ease.
     
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  16. Marcel Massini

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    No, I did not.
    Not the production date.
    The completion date.
    Not the same thing.

    And for those really interested: The factory issued the certificate of origin for 0334 MM on 16 May 1953.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  17. Aardy

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    I think the term « completion » can be confusing. Reading you, it seems like the car was finished and ready to be delivered, which is of course wrong.

    As for the certificate, we have seen on several occasions that it could be issued well before the car was produced.
     
  18. Bodin303

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    You have given us great information on the the 0334MM, but haven't weighed an opinion if that car is the car from the picture? I am interested in hearing your thoughts as well.
     

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