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Restoring my 78 308GTS

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  1. Newman

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    Helmut, great work! Question, you have 2 temp and 2 defrost levers rather than one for choke (on the far right). Also with that extreme right bezzel for the choke make sure you insulate the lever from the contacts or the light on the dash for the choke will remain on at all times when the key is on. The OEM plastic bezzels are chromed but you will notice the chrome stops before the pivot hole for the lever preventing an electrical connection. I had that problem with my NOS plastic ones because ferrari chromed the entire bezzel beyond the pivot hole. I ground the chrome plating off that area and the problem was solved.
     
  2. Helmut

    Helmut Formula Junior

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    Hey Paul, thanks for pointing it out. I actually thought about your comments on here back when you installed yours as I noticed right away that the light is on whenever the lever touches the outside since like you noticed, it is metal.
    I know it is a bummer that the repro labels for the levers don't have "choke" written on them, they only come in "heater" ones. If I should ever find a new one that says choke on it I will replace it.


    Helmut
     
  3. Helmut

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    Thanks guys! back to more 308 today :)
     
  4. Helmut

    Helmut Formula Junior

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    #54 Helmut, Jan 2, 2010
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    I am finally working on my car again. Today I installed the Facet Fuel pump, I am not happy with the looks of it and I have heard it makes some weird noises as well so if I find a better one down the line I might swap it out. I didn't refinish the fuelfilter housing on purpose in order to preserve the writing on it which is kind of cool I think.
    I also installed the sparkplugs cables, fuellines and cleaned up a bunch of little parts that are now going back on.

    I had the new exhaust tips installed by Sean from Precision Rodware, he can make anything out of metal, excellent welder. The tips I wanted, the ones with the red inserts from Summit don't come in the same length as the original ones so Sean had to shorten them, which is quite a lot of work to get it perfect.
    Also I finally got my brake calipers back, or at least the front ones, the rear ones should come next week.

    Helmut
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  5. Tim Wells

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    I love the good, crisp, clean work you are doing to this machine. You kicked that dash in the butt, really nice job (even if it did kick yours a little).
     
  6. 4right

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    Everything looks Great!

    Question, were did you source the metal levers, the chrome finish is starting to wear off of my plastic bezels.

    Also, you mentioned that you had the steering wheel refinished by GAHH. What was the process for getting this accomplished. I went to their website, however, couldnt find any details. Cost?

    Thanks,
     
  7. Helmut

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    I got the levers from Verell Boen with Unobtainium supply, he is also on this site.

    I don't think its one of their official services but if you call Jack at GAHH and tell him that you saw my restored steering wheel and you would like yours done as well then he will do it for you as well I am sure.

    Thanks for the encouragement, I need it :)

    Helmut
     
  8. Tim Wells

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    When people ask me what these F-22's are made of that's what I tell em' "unobtanium alloy"...

    Thanks for starting this thread with the photos and all. I stayed up new years night reading the entire restoration thread from Newman's yellow masterpiece till about 3:30AM. What an education I got from that; I could hardly see by the time I got to the end, things started to get blurry.
     
  9. 4right

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    Thanks, I will let you know how things turn out.
     
  10. Verell

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    Hi Helmut,
    I supply correct sets of 'Unscratchable' lever bezel labels for ALL Ferrari models that used this style lever bezels. See post #17 of this thread:
    Unobtainium Supplies: Unscratchable Lever Labels
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=199364

    I don't recall you ordering a label set from me, but if you did then I must have shipped you the wrong set, you want the carb'd cars label set. Please send me eMAIL.

    I'm starting to run low, but still have a few sets in stock. See post #133 in this thread for ordering info:
    Unbreakable Temp/Vent/Choke Lever Bezels at Last!!!!
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97840

    BTW, I also have 'unscratchable' plates for the other switches, see posts #19 & #31 of this thread:
    Unobtainium Supplies: Unscratchable 308 Switch Plates
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=241971
     
  11. Helmut

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    Thanks for pointing that out Verell, I only bought the levers from you, I missed the fact that you are also making the labels. I bought the labels a long time ago on ebay and the ones I saw from Rutlands also didnt have "choke" written on them.

    Helmut
     
  12. 8KRedRacer

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    Hello Helmut,

    You are doing a great work and truely can fully appreciate the hours that you have invested in the restoration!

    Regards,
    Alan
     
  13. Verell

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    #63 Verell, Jan 7, 2010
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    Newman, Thanks for reminding us of that issue.

    How to insulate the choke electrical connection from the metal bezel tab is discussed in depth in your earlier thread:

    potential problem with metal heater bezels
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221377

    See post #9 & the more detailed discussion in post #48 for my recomended fix.
     
  14. Helmut

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    Thanks Alan! I am enjoying your resourcefulness in your resto project and the perfectionism which I am sure you have come to suffer from at times :)

    Helmut
     
  15. Newman

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    #65 Newman, Jan 7, 2010
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    Im thrilled to see others restoring 308's, what a monumental undertaking it is that seems to never end but ill tell you the ride quality and tightness of the car once finished is simply amazing. Worth the trouble. The only problem is when you see other 308's at meets you'll pick them apart in your head without meaning to. You just see all the unplated nuts and bolts, grime etc.
     
  16. Helmut

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    #66 Helmut, Feb 7, 2010
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    I know what you mean Paul, the grime on these cars hide a lot of potential trouble and its such a pain to work on them when everything is covered in gunk. As I am working through every nut and bolt of this car I keep wondering if anybody ever thinks of fixing all sort of details. Today I was wondering how many 308 owners ever replace the bearing in the AC belt tensioner. Those things dry out get hot and freeze up.
    I will not miss all the phonecalls trying to find little pieces like the pre-bent hose from the rear bank to the bellhousing, or some new studs for the carb trumpets and new rubber gaskets around the carbs for the airfilter box, new spacers for the gaskets, new shims for the lower AC bracket, new spacers for the top AC bracket plus the new rubber cones .... and that is just what comes to mind from what I did today. The detail is definitely the killer on such a project.

    Its been raining down here and I have been taking some time off. I finished installing the XDI and I put the new AC compressor in. Belts, Alternator water-pipes, everything that was not finalized as of yet. I filled the tansmission (from the top of the clutch housing), hopefully that did in fact give me the correct level, put in the engine oil with some Red Line "engine break in additive" and voila, I am getting ready to hear the engine run :) after over 5 years.

    Btw my new starter sounds amazing, when I cranked the engine today (with ignition disconnected) it sounded like a I was about to start a new car. How long would you guys suggest I crank it in order to get enough oil flow going to actually start it without causing damage? I originally was planning to pump some oil through the engine from the Oil filter port but couldn't find an appropriate pump for it. I am thinking as long as I crank it for a while before connecting the ignition and before adding fuel I should also be getting enough oilflow going.

    Thanks
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  17. Helmut

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    #67 Helmut, Feb 7, 2010
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    Today was the day I cranked up the oilpressure plugged in the new electromotive and after 6 years she fired up like a charm. I am amazed at how easy it was, I figured I would have to adjust the carburators as well as the ignition etc but I was wrong, it just idled perfectly. Also no fuel smell (except what I spilled :) ) etc. it runs perfectly clean. I suppose it really makes a difference regarding smell with the new Hyperflows. My 91 300E which passes smog with flying colors stinks and smokes way more. Just a bit of condensation on the new exhaust tips ( yep summit racing with the red inserts :) ) but no visible smoke. I expected this to be a much more "vintage" experience.

    The sound is awsome, I am one of those who actually likes the stock exhaust in spite of its weight. It sounds subtle more in the lower registers, yet very beefy, I am not that fond of metallic aggressive sounds. I had all parts of the exhaust triple ceramic coated as well as on the inside. And of course I love the carburetors, I think that those are a part of mid 20th century Ferrari history which I am pleased to have on my car.

    There is still a lot of stuff to do but I feel I have come another big step closer.

    Helmut
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  18. AZDoug

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    You should never crank a starter for more than 10 seconds at a time due to heat build up in the starter windings. Based on GM starter recommendations.

    If you want to oil prime your motor, i would suggest crank for about 8 seconds, let sit for about 5 minutes,and repeat 4-5 times, and you should be fairly close, based on small block Chev experiences, your Fcar shouldn't be too much different.

    Doug
     
  19. Helmut

    Helmut Formula Junior

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    Thats right, I would crank for about 5 to 10 seconds and then wait, not exactly 5 minutes as I didn't want the oil to drain out again. I only had to do that a few times and the oil pressure gauge came up right away.
     
  20. Helmut

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    besides, there is a lifetime warranty on the starter :)
     
  21. duck.co.za

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    Isolate the igtion and take the plugs out . You will hear the load on the starter motor increase as the oil pressure comes up .
     
  22. AZDoug

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    Yeah, but you gotta get in there to change it.... The price of the starter doesn't concern me as much as the location of it does.

    I noticed a long time ago that the oils drains out of the fcar oil system after sitting fora bit; dunno if that is just the filter above the stand pipe, or the whole system. My Chevs always have instant oil pressure, if the filter is full.

    Doug
     
  23. Helmut

    Helmut Formula Junior

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    That certainly is the truth, it is a pita to get it out even though this gear reduction starter is much smaller than the original one.
     
  24. Helmut

    Helmut Formula Junior

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    But by the time I got the plugs back in I would have lost my oilpressure again :)
     
  25. duck.co.za

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    No more so than any other time you start it ?? You are priming the system for the first time ?? Or do you try and get oil pressure on the gauge every time you start it ??? Have you isolated your ignition so it does not fire to be able to do this ?
     

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