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  1. MDshore348

    MDshore348 Formula 3

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    #1 MDshore348, Jan 6, 2005
    i recieved results from a PPI from a car i am interested in , getting the papers tomorrow. my prob is i dont know some of the warning signs of basket case car. so far they said compression /leakdown was ok . flywheel was leaking grease and clutch leaked badly, could need new , -500-to repack to 2000. for new clutch ..
    noted both cam seals leaking . and a bunch of little things like weatherstrip was torn, emblem loose etc. car needed a major service, i knew that ,planned on doing it while it was there anyway... will post the details as soon as i get them... is there an expert out there who would be able to decipher this report and give it to me straight? id hate for this to turn out to be a 10k plus fix ! thanx
     
  2. Ashman

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    #2 Ashman, Jan 7, 2005
    Not trying to be harsh, but why are you paying an "expert" for the PPI if he/she can't or won't explain it to you? The expert should be able to tell you pretty much exactly what the repairs will cost. You did hire someone who knows Ferraris (and especially the 348) well, didn't you?

    John
     
  3. richard_wallace

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    #3 richard_wallace, Jan 7, 2005
    My opinion - look for another car - there are many fine examples out there - why risk getting something - even if you think you know the cost to repair it - and they lower the asking price - once they start digging those cost could be double what you think - and then it is out of your pocket.

    The best advice us F-cars guys can give - is be patient - take your time and find the right car. There are many of us who have done and paid for several PPI's before we find the right one - that few hundred dollars is well worth losing if it is not the right car.

    And many of us would tell you that getting a car that is not well sorted - can really sour what should be one of the best (material) things you will ever do - owning a great piece of automotive art.

    Hope that helps
    Rich
     
  4. matteo

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    #4 matteo, Jan 7, 2005
    Ditto on that.
     
  5. jkuk

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    #5 jkuk, Jan 7, 2005

    If the cost of these issues is factored into the purchase price then I do not see an issue.

    If you are getting the belts done as part of the major, then the cam seals can be done whilst the engine is out. This cost me circa £500 inc labour

    A leaking clutch can be either shaft seals leaking gear oil (parts about £20UKP, or T/O bearing seals leaking clutch fluid - Costs unsure but not expensive),

    Clutch may be worn/contaminated due to leakis which means new clutch pack. A dual plate clutch pack is about £800 parts only.

    As its leaking badly, you will probably need the flywheel re-packed. - about £60 for the grease..

    All of the clutch issues can be undertaken yourself if you have any mechanical inclination. It is not difficult - you do not even need to jack up the car.

    A car in a perceived good shape could still need a new clutch in the near future and the triple shaft seals will always fail at some point.

    If the rest of the motor looks good, and you get a discount for the jobs required then I would rather have a cheaper car, and then pay to have the problems corrected above a more expensive car that may need the same work done in the not too distant future.

    At least you will know exactly the state its in when all jobs are done.

    Just my 2 cents

    John
     
  6. Jdubbya

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    #6 Jdubbya, Jan 7, 2005
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    #7 Dr_ferrari, Jan 7, 2005
    Why don`t you just call the dealer who did the PPI and ask to talk to the technician? Maybe he can explain details for you.

    Best regards, Jim
     
  8. MDshore348

    MDshore348 Formula 3

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    #8 MDshore348, Jan 7, 2005
    actually i did talk to the technician . it didnt seem scary to him , at worse a clutch job over what i had intended on doing /full service/ .but he was very impartial, i read in here alot about clutch jobs and cam seals so this is more the norm (am i right?) for a 10 year old ferrari . i wouldnt know if he spouted
    off the compression test results, and so on , thats what i meant.
    this is a 1994 , one of 15 made, so its not like you see them everyday. :)
     
  9. BWS550

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    #9 BWS550, Jan 7, 2005
    . so far they said compression /leakdown was ok""

    THATS THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT THE ENGINE????...THATS THE MOST IMPORTANT TEST FOR A PPI.......

    IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE ENGINE .PSI IS LOW, ETC...DONT WALK, RUN AWAY.........................BEST ADVICE!!

    GOOD LUCK, BRUCE
     
  10. MDshore348

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    #10 MDshore348, Jan 7, 2005
    i dont have the paper results yet, but i just talked with him and he said its compression definitly within specs . said overall the car looked good, i asked him many times, give it to me straight!!!he said probs found are typical, clutch was typical anyway at 17k miles .he said he felt overall the car was taken care of. i feel hes a straight shooter.
     
  11. BWS550

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    #11 BWS550, Jan 7, 2005
    DONT LET HIM DICK YOU AROUND....GET THE COMPRESSION #S NOW!!!

    LET HIM FAX IT TO YOU...THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, A CLUTCH IS 2-3K...A NEW ENGINE IS 30-40K...

    BRUCE
     
  12. Ade

    Ade Formula 3

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    #12 Ade, Jan 7, 2005

    Seriously, don't take his word for it. I made that mistake. I've just had my 355 engine partially rebuilt at a cost of equivalent to $13,000. Seriously get the compression figures.

    Mine were pretty good at mostly 180psi (and one 140) prior to the rebuild, but this was still causing oil buring problems. Now they are 210psi across all 8. Still an expensive lesson to learn.
     
  13. MDshore348

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    #13 MDshore348, Jan 7, 2005
    well the report showed the following, and he said it was a little low because it was due for major svc. the numbers would prob get better with timing adjustment , etc...

    psi avg 139 , the lowest was #8 -129 , highest was#1 147 . says it could be carbon buildup too on the one cylinder. the current owner did alot of nieghborhood drives, under 50 mph. when i test drove it with him , he never had it over 4k rpm, said he didnt want to run it since it was due for svc. , i feel he was doing this the whole time he owned it.

    general concensus the clutch needs redone.
     
  14. jkuk

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    #14 jkuk, Jan 7, 2005
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    #15 MDshore348, Jan 7, 2005
    ww of cars in NJ performed the ppi, they came with good recommendations by fchat members.
     
  16. BWS550

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    #16 BWS550, Jan 7, 2005
    YOU MEAN WWOC IN NY ( SPRING VALLEY)

    JUSTIN OR KEVIN ARE GREAT PEOPLE

    TELL THEM I SENT YA..
     

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