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  1. italiancars

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    #1 italiancars, Jan 7, 2010
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    FYI: Italian Cars will again be Hosting Retired Challenge Car Races in 2010 as part of Le Belle Macchine d'Italia - Pocono and Le Belle Macchine d'Italia - Sud at Daytona
     
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    #2 jeff512tr, Jan 8, 2010
    The 7th annual Celebration Exotic Car Festival will also be hosting a race again this year!
    The season opener and first race of the year will be at the Celebration Exotic Car Festival event at Sebring. The event dates are April 15-18. The race will be on April 16.
    The 2010 website is going live and registration opens January 18.
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  3. rob lay

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    #3 rob lay, Jan 14, 2010
    NASA allows all Challenge (348, 355, 360, 430) and GT/C Cars to compete. There are regions across the country and cars usually fit into the Super Touring classes. Entry fees $300-400 a weekend. Several companies like Hoosier offer contingencies, my double win weekend was worth about $1,600 in tires.
     
  4. WCH

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    #4 WCH, Jan 14, 2010
    Rob, out of curiousity, what changes can/must be made to run the 430s in NASA? I'll probably dabble in SCCA and agree that the Hoosier contingency program is great.
     
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    #5 rob lay, Jan 14, 2010
    Roll cage is fine. Just make sure belts and helmet are in date. You need a side bolster net or seat with head bolster. Head & Neck restraint are also required. IMHO NASA has SCCA beat both by requiring a few more safety things, but then being open to more cars. You also need a racing license, they accept SCCA and FIA etc, but you can't just have a single racing school and expect to race without first going through some of their program. They are strict about racing experience like SCCA.
     
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    #6 WCH, Jan 14, 2010
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    I have an SCCA national license, ran my old 360C once in a NASA race at Mid Ohio and enjoyed it. Seat with wrap around head bolster, I take it not the stock Challenge seat?
     
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    #7 rob lay, Jan 14, 2010
    In Super Touring you can put a V12 in your car if you want, only thing that matters is Weight to HP ratio for which class you are in (SU,ST1,ST2, ST3). Mix and match parts non-OEM if you want. Another reason I love this class over SCCA.
     
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    #8 WCH, Jan 15, 2010
    SCCA's STO class is pretty lenient.

    SCCA has IMO made it difficult to bring new, interesting cars into its program. I have no idea why they'd do that, but much of what they do makes no sense to me.

    Rob - do you use a window net, or can you use the stock plexi whatever piece?

    Also, to whomever it may concern - the name "Retired Challenge Car" needs to go, seems kind of silly.
     
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    #9 rob lay, Jan 15, 2010
    Yes, NASA Texas let Jessica Hill run here 360 Challenge with the plexi glass, so I think its OK.
     
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    #10 jeff512tr, Jan 27, 2010
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    Registration is now open for the challenge race at Sebring on April 16.
    The race is open to all Ferrari challenge cars, 348-430.
    We expect a full field of 25 this year, and more than 10 cars have registered in the first few days already, so please sign up early to insure your place on the grid.
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    #11 johnhoughtaling, Jan 27, 2010
    Jeff

    do you have:

    Me. 430
    Jerome. 430
    Franco. 360
    chris. 355
    ??
     
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    #12 WCH, Jan 27, 2010
    Same weekend as the SCCA Nationals at Atlanta, too bad! Hope you get a big field.
     
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    #13 jeff512tr, Jan 28, 2010
    Of course! And quite a few others already!
     
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    #15 rob lay, Jan 28, 2010
    400 miles closer to home John you could compete this weekend against Ferrari North America champion Mark McKenzie and Rookie of the Year Steve Hill. I understand though they will just make us look slow though. ;)
     
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    #16 Challengehauler, Jan 28, 2010
    The 430C requires ballast and steel brakes for SCCA T1
     
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    #17 rob lay, Jan 28, 2010
    yep, Scott Tucker had to spend a ton of money and time to win that championship.

    the good thing about NASA Super Touring 1 is the 430 Challenge fits perfectly in the class without adding weight, without restricting power, and running full racing slicks. Actually, we did the calculations on Mark's car and it comes in within 0.1 points of the cutoff, just PERFECT!
     
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    #19 johnhoughtaling, Jan 28, 2010
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    Rob, I prefer to race in Ferrari Challenge only series. For me its as much about the cars and people as it is about the racing. There will be several venues to do that in this year.

    You should join us.

    BTW: The moderators keep editing the posts advertising the dates of these events. I guess this is a money thing, but most of these events are for charity and I assumed the purpose of this section was to encourage challenge car owners to get together.

    Anyway, can someone please repost the dates of the events on the calendar?

    So far for the Independent Ferrari Challenge Series we have

    Sebring April 16
    Daytona ?
    Pocono ?
    MSR TBA
     
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    #20 johnhoughtaling, Jan 28, 2010
    Awesome Pic!! Who won that race? :)
     
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    #21 rob lay, Jan 28, 2010
    You don't like Porsche and Vette people? ;)

    Ferrari only is cool in its own way, but most vintage and race organizations aren't make specific, I think you will find more talented racing if you open your horizons. However, I do understand some aren't comfortable with that level of competition.

    Looks like the mods are getting ahold of it. Commercial event is a commercial event, I have yet to see a Ferrari event that didn't have some charity. I know what Joe charges for advertising and entries and so we're only being fair when we have paid event and club sponsors like FCA and Cavallino Classic.

    Let me know if any of these events are FCA and since they are a sponsor, they would be allowed.
     
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    #22 johnhoughtaling, Jan 28, 2010
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    The problem you speak of of no place for Ferrari only has been solved. Many people want a Ferrari Challenge specific series, independent from the FNA smash 'em up derby at a lower cost. It started last year. Those, like me, want to race against other identical Ferraris with Vintage/PCA rules.

    Like I said, its as much about the cars and people, than the racing. I like the hospitality/people that are doing the Ferrari Challenge, and I think it fun to race in a field of Ferraris. To me thats as cool as the racing itself. If I was interested in pure competition I'd probably do something else altogether.

    As for being afraid of the talent level, I dont think so. :) If you think the Ferrari Challenge guys are slow, come on out and see for yourself rob!

    When I said "charity" I meant 100% for charity. If the event is a commercial enterprise then I think thats fair Rob. As someone thats been on Ferrarichat when it was just an email chain, I'll be the first to recognize your hard work and want to see it rewarded. My only interest is to speed the connections between people.

    The FCA, is currently on the fence about the Challenge Events. They did Sebring, and Watkins Glenn last year. This year they sort of have their heads up their butts, but we will see. My assumption is they will get on board with the Challenge races or be left behind. I've been told FNA is interested in expanding their challenge series, but we will see.

    Nevertheless, from what I understand there will be 5 Independent Ferrari Challenge races. The following is happening (people help me with dates please):

    Sebring April 16
    Pocono ?
    Daytona ?
    Watkins Glenn ?
    MSR ?
     
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    #23 rob lay, Jan 28, 2010
    I understand your perspective John. It sounds fun to me, mainly just for some cool new & famous tracks.

    You might not be reading everything I'm posting because this weekend the race includes 3 430 Challenge racers that competed in the 2009 season and the best at that with champion Mark McKenzie and Rookie of the Year Steve Hill. They are far superior drivers than me, but of course I'll be in the slow 355 Challenge.
     
  24. WCH

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    #24 WCH, Jan 28, 2010
    "The 430C requires ballast and steel brakes for SCCA T1"


    STO will be a better class for the 430C in SCCA.

    Rob, why in the world would you think someone from the challenge series would be faster than you are? Not one of the more competitive series.
     
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    #25 rob lay, Jan 28, 2010
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    Really? 430 Challenge won the SCCA T1 Runoffs this year. :) Now if you don't want to spend all the time testing and changing your 430 C like Scott Tucker then STO is the class to be.

    It is kinda a setup on my part. :) I have been very outspoken over the years about the talent and money spent in the Challenge series. Mark McKenzie is "one of us". I have club raced with Mark McKenzie for 6+ years and we've had some great battles. I was so excited he got into the Challenge series as he could prove me right and he did by getting Rookie of the Year in 2008 and winning the entire thing 2009!

    The amount of track time, Risi team support, and Risi pro driver coaching has taken Mark well beyond where my skill level flattened out years ago. I might actually be a little slower than I use to be as I only do 5 weekends a year with little testing.
     
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