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Revved a cold 458

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by daniel1999j, Jul 17, 2016.

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  1. daniel1999j

    daniel1999j Rookie

    Jul 17, 2016
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    Hi everyone,

    Yesterday i turned on my dad's ferrari 458. I know it's not good idea to rev a cold engine, but i didn't think clearly.

    I revved the engine while it was cold to maximum 4000-5000 rpm 3-4 times.

    Could that have done damage to the engine and should i be worried?


    Best regards


    Daniel
     
  2. daniel1999j

    daniel1999j Rookie

    Jul 17, 2016
    2
    Hi everyone,

    Yesterday i turned on my dad's ferrari 458. I know it's not good idea to rev a cold engine, but i didn't think clearly.

    I revved the engine while it was cold to maximum 4000-5000 rpm 3-4 times.

    Could that have done damage to the engine and should i be worried?


    Best regards


    Daniel
     
  3. RayJohns

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    It's always best to let the motor and oil come up to operating temperature. I usually keep the RPM's below about 4000 for the first 5 miles of driving on my car. With that said, I doubt very seriously if revving the motor as you did would have had any negative impact.

    Myself, I don't like to free rev motors under any circumstances, although a lot of people seem to be very fond of doing that. You can always tell which guys have never actually assembled a motor from scratch, nor have had to rebuild one that has suffered a major failure; they are the ones going around bouncing the car off the rev limiter in the parking lot...

    :)

    Ray
     
  4. motodavid2000

    motodavid2000 Karting

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    You sound like Ferris Bueler.....at least the Ferrari did not go through a window and down into a ravine turning into a smoking hulk.
     
  5. leead1

    leead1 F1 Rookie

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    On my 458 and I assume all 458s there is a indicator that tells you when the engine is cold. It is green and then as the engine warms it goes out. The light is there so you do not run the Ferrari hard until you get an indicator the engine is ready. The car has a similar light for the brakes.

    I suspect you did not hurt it in a big way but it is hard to say.

    best

    Lee
     
  6. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

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    Did you tell your dad?
     
  7. 2fastforu

    2fastforu Formula Junior

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    I wouldn't worry about it, 4-5K rpm is not that bad. Sometimes I startup my spider up and let it warm up a bit (not long enough to have the engine light green) and I rev it up past 5K rpm. The engine is more resilient then you think. Under sustained high revs, it may cause an issue. Sounds like a non-issue.
     
  8. JimPVB

    JimPVB Formula Junior

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    Wouldn't worry about it (and credit to you for being concerned), but don't do it again.

    Love Dad


    (kidding, but that's what I's tell my Son)
     
  9. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    If the engine couldn't take it Ferrari would not have let it happen.

    I wouldn't do it as a habit but it's not a big deal
     
  10. rmitchell248

    rmitchell248 Formula 3

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    You probably blew the motor by Doing that. Since the ECU logs this kind of thing the dealer will be able to see it and will void the warranty. Gonna have to come clean with dad now, it's gonna be expensive too.
     
  11. 4th_gear

    4th_gear F1 Rookie

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    The 458 uses a dry sump engine so you should always make sure you warm up the oil adequately before you do anything aggressive with the engine. It's not like regular cars. Read up on the subject if you really want to know more about cars. The 458 is a marvelous piece of engineering and one should always be aware of how privileged it is to drive one. Be sure to take proper care of it when you are behind the wheels.
     
  12. MalibuGuy

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    I was at a Ferrari driving event. A guy who wanted to show off got into his new Enzo and started up the car and revved the engine to red line over and over again.

    I thought he was a complete jerk!
     
  13. Patek

    Patek Formula 3

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    As one Poster said "give us the Vin # so we don't end up buying it later on".
    But a very fair question. Keep up the good work.
     
  14. 458trofeo

    458trofeo F1 Rookie

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    You're grounded for the whole week :(
     
  15. Azzuro Blue

    Azzuro Blue Karting

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    Don't worry!
     
  16. 458trofeo

    458trofeo F1 Rookie

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    Hmm if dad checks the ecu it's ALL OVER!!! :(
     
  17. Benternet

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    I woudl be sure and help out extra around the house etc so dad might overlook it this time.
     
  18. Eilig

    Eilig F1 Rookie
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    I think dad needs to do a better job of hiding the keys...
     
  19. DK308

    DK308 F1 Rookie

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    I'll agree with Mayor on this. While it is a good idea not to cold-rev a 458 engine, it is after all a street car and not a race car that need pre-heated oil and seems like constantly on the brink of self destruction.

    Look at it this way. Ferrari puts a warranty on these cars, and while misuse will void the warranty in case of a self caused engine failure, they do realize that not everyone treat the cars the same. What does that mean? It means they need to put in a certain safety margin so to speak because they simply can't control how people treat their cars.
    As soon as you turn the key just before the car starts, it has oil pressure and the pumps run - it's almost like the effect of a pre-lube system sometimes used on high performance wet sump engines.
    Revving the engine to 4000-5000 rpm should not be a big deal for that engine. I doubt your fathers garage was near freezing temps as well, so I can't see it doing any damage.

    At the end of the day, don't mess with things that does not belong to you and you are unsure how works. Man up and tell your dad, I'm sure he'll appreciate that you do and also respect you for it.
     
  20. blackbolt22

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    HAHAHA
     
  21. PhilNotHill

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    Revving the engine when cold used to be a bigger problem before multiple viscosity synthetic oils were used. Cold oil does not lubricate and this causes unnecessary engine wear.

    I don't rev the engine over 4000 rpm until the engine is fully warm. The 458 VDA in RACE MODE shows when the car is ready to race. The engine will turn from blue (too cold) to green (ready to rev). It will also show when the transmission, tires and breaks are ready to perform.

    Depending on how cold the outside temperature is, how far and how long you need to drive under 4000 rpm before the engine is warm enough. In warm weather this is usually about one or two miles. It will take the tires much longer to warm. And tires cool off faster than the engine when parked with the engine off. So make sure everything is optimal before you decide to do some performance driving.

    Best
     

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