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Discussion in 'F1' started by Ferraripilot, Jan 20, 2012.

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  1. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    RB and Newey play todays restrictive rule structure better than the rest. Not radically innovative but still clearly superior on track.
    Still they get slammed for their success with calls for them to be handicapped.
     
  2. Ferraripilot

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    I completely agree with this. No one disputes their wing flexes a laughable amount yet it's declared legal as it passes a even more laughable test. If they wanted to truly correct this issue they would force teams to run a FiA mandated plank along the bottom of the primary wing element. I'm guessing they're not concerned with this but I am sure after 4-5 years of everyone doing this they will tighten the belt as they always do.
     
  3. daytona355

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    They definately get away with murder
     
  4. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    They are just better at nibbling at the margins of very restrictive rules.
    We beetch and moan about RB while complaining about the lack of innovation in F1.
    Teams will always look for any advantage that they can gain whatever the rules. Why not allow for real innovation? That's the only way an underfunded team will ever gain a competitive edge.
     
  5. texasmr2

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    So F1 and IndyCar are both going turbo why not just combine the two since they are both over regulated!!!

    Pathetic state of affairs F1 is in now, what ever happened to being the epitome of technology and advanced vehicle concepts?? They keep banning things that will most likely be transfered into roadcars anyway and if I'm not mistaken that is supposedly their goal??

    I'm seriously worried about the state of F1 and its now ill concieved self imposed grandeur.
     
  6. VIZSLA

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    Its all about the TV show now. The sport is continually dumbed down so as to make it more accessible to the larger demographic.
    Its the way of the world.
     
  7. texasmr2

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    Yes sir you are right and you probably find it just as disheartening as I do. I still hold out hope but it wains with each passing season and I cannot do anything about it and THAT is heartbreaking but I cannot giveup hope or my passion.
     
  8. VIZSLA

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    We are of a mind there.
    Personally I think that the trend is unsustainable and will implode on itself. A shame if we have to destroy the sport to save it.
    Called F1 or GP it has survived for many decades reinventing itself many times. I remain optimistic.
     
  9. texasmr2

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    Always optimistic brother ;).
     
  10. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Early grave? It's the longest continuously running motorsport world championship on the planet.

    +1 [Although, you don't sound optimistic very often D! ;)]

    Why would "we" have to destroy it to save it though?

    It's more popular now than it's ever been - You do have a point about "dumbing it down" for the sake of the show, but that's what "we" asked for.

    FWIW, and a little tangential here's the latest from Bernie - He's saying Bahrain is going ahead, but goes on;

    I'm not sure where he gets a few more races would need a doubling of staff, but we know Mexico, Russia and a few others are looking for a race.

    It's not heading for a grave, early or otherwise......

    Cheers,
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    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97143
     
  11. VIZSLA

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    My dark passenger must have his say on occasion but I remain an optimistic devotee.
     
  12. kraftwerk

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    A pessimist is never disappointed...;)
     
  13. Fast_ian

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    Fair enough. ;)

    Back on topic, just posted at Autosport (edited);

    Cheers,
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    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97151
     
  14. VIZSLA

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    And a stopped clock (unless on military time) is right twice a day.
    I've made a resolution to be more appropriately positive here and will expect gentle pushes from my friends if I stray off that path. ;)
    Go Pats
     
  15. Ferraripilot

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    Italian media F1 website Omnisport reported further regarding the ride height ban and that Lotus and Ferrari don't be so concerned regarding this turn of events. But the interesting tidbit comes from them advising Mercedes in essence knew the ban was coming and are rumored have a suspension system which acts the same as the W02 rear suspension in that they were interlinked only W03 will have rear linked to the front. The new system by inherent design as just being a plain hydraulic suspension system naturally controls ride height and further works in preventing 'dive' characteristic. Never has a manufacturer hydraulically connected everything in a passive system so this naturally has me very curious.

    The hydraulic schematic to this system must be just mind-boggling as I am sure each wheel is hydraulically connected to the other and a slave cylinder reacts to what that wheel is doing thus changing what the other is doing. If it's true, I'm already impressed.
     
  16. VIZSLA

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    A have images of the system going haywire and the car bunny hopping down the track.
    :D
     
  17. Fast_ian

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    Nah - You need *active* suspension for that...... I dunno if there's any videos of it around (?) but apparently the active Williams of years back used to "jiggle" wildly on occasion all by itself! - Freaked everyone out the first time. A reboot fixed it apparently. ;)

    I do wonder if they're still researching the infamous wiggly-wing we saw on Phils car last year though.

    Cheers,
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  18. VIZSLA

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    I try to be light and humorous and you rain on my parade?
    ;)

    Besides a little wiggle in the right place at the right time is a nice thing.
     
  19. Ferraripilot

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    haha.

    On a similar note, I do remember in late July when Mercedes announced a number of open positions that they had a rather large number of hydraulic engineers in the mix. I can only assume it was due to this system. I see one of two things happening with this: the system will either be very successful and every team will attempt to copy the system, or the system will fall flat on its face and MB will be lucky to end up 4th again. Tough call, but they certainly have put a ton into developement.
     
  20. TifosiUSA

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    #70 TifosiUSA, Jan 23, 2012
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    You think countries wanting a race equals F1 being invincible? HAHA, thanks for the laugh. Korea and China wanted races, too bad they can't get any asses in the seats.

    Indycar seemed invincible merely a couple decades ago. We had top F1 drivers like Mansell moving there to race. Can you imagine that now? Hell, even NASCAR's ticket sales are way down and that's obvious just watching the races on TV. There's barely anyone in the stands compared to even 5 years ago. Trust me, you underestimate how much audiences matter to F1. When people get bored/frustrated due to the same winners or over-regulated spec cars, revenues drop SHARPLY. Happened to Indy Car, is happening to NASCAR and F1 is not immune...

    Remember when viewing figures took a dump during the MS years? Well, Vettel is doing the same thing right now and banning crap like this ride height system that might allow the order to be shaken up is only going to help him...
     
  21. VIZSLA

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    F1 can't keep growing at its present rate. There aren't enough new countries with unlimited budgets nor enough possible race weekends. The only way to grow the pot is through increased TV fees and I don't see the new casual fans ponying up.
    Sooner or later something's gotta give.
    Once the speculators lose interest (NPI) maybe we'll see a resurgence of sporting interests.
     
  22. TifosiUSA

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    Agreed
     
  23. kraftwerk

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    As long as Bernie still breathes F1 will survive, he is one canny man.
     
  24. VIZSLA

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    I tend to agree and while he has no plans to shuffle off he won't be around forever.
     
  25. Fast_ian

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    Pretty much. As long as they can pay Bernie......

    Not F1's (Bernie, the FIA or the teams) problem.

    I've given my opinions on him before. He wasn't welcome in F1 after winning the title.

    Oh no I don't. ;)

    Nonsense. Viewing figures worldwide are as high as they've ever been. They drift around a little - down in Germany without MS, back up with Seb..... Down a little in Brazil without Rubens is expected, etc.

    But, for worldwide brand exposure (WTF that is?!), F1 remains the best avenue.

    As for the ride tweaking system, just another blind alley that would have cost 'em millions and bought 'em little IMO. [Although, as I said before, I don't like that Lotus got the go ahead on it a year back only to have it banned. C'est la vie in F1 unfortunately]

    Cheers,
    Ian
     

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