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Risi Competizione endorses a Japanese brand?

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  1. MWerman

    MWerman Rookie

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    #1 MWerman, Aug 12, 2009
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    Love the Risi team. The finish of the 12-hours of Sebring back in '07 was epic. In my Googling of the team the other day, I found some press release that had a quote from their technical engineer about some company called Endless. Turns out to be some Japanese brake brand. Thought that was interesting given every team I know uses Pagid or PFC. Anyone know anything about Endless?

    Press Release - Endless Products Last, Save Consumers Money (http://endlessusa.com/main/press-release-endless-products-last-save-consumers-money)

    Huntington Beach, CA (July 31, 2009) – In a globally down economy, consumers are putting more care into the product choices they make. The dollars in their wallets must go further than they have before, and getting the most value from the dollars they spend is vital. With less disposable income available, they are more often seeking quality product that will last. Endless is proud to announce that these new recession-savvy consumers have found Endless products to be the best valued in the marketplace.

    Endless has always had a name synonymous with quality, but the increase in new consumers trying Endless product has led to tremendous feedback regarding exceeded expectations in longevity and value. Consumers are finding that while they may be initially spending a small amount more for the brake pads or brake fluid, the pads and fluid last far longer than other brands they’ve used previously. Coupled with feedback reporting that the brake pads are far less abrasive to disc rotors, consumers are elated to find that they’re reducing their consumption and actually saving money by switching to Endless.

    “We can choose any brake combination we want in IMSA/ALMS/ACO,” said Rick Mayer, Technical Director of American Le Mans team Risi Competizione. “Endless pads have significantly less wear than any pad we’ve used and are very gentle on the disks. We made the 12 hours of Sebring without a pad change where some of our Ferrari competitors didn’t. We can use a used pad at subsequent events without any concern about performance degradation. Our drivers like the good release and consistent friction level without any fading. We find them to be good consistent pads. Good technical support keeps us on the right pad for the conditions.”

    “Sometimes it’s difficult for consumers to see the value in spending more for product that lasts longer,” said Dominic Chen, Executive Director of Endless USA. “But what we’ve been able to show is that our pads and fluid really do increase performance while reducing costs. Professional race teams and weekend track enthusiasts alike have all reported the same thing: with Endless they’ve won more races and saved more money.”
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  2. RTB

    RTB Formula 3

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    Brembo..........
     
  3. MWerman

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    Someone on that 6-speed forum said the same thing, effectively. I think it's really easy to say "Brembo" since it's such a well-known brand. Don't get me wrong, I love the Brembo monoblock calipers too, they're superb. Functional art.

    BUT, Brembo doesn't have any good brake pads, being that they're a caliper / rotor company. I used Pagid and then switched to PFC on my cars, but now that I've learned how good these Endless pads are, I'm going with them this next time.

    They have some amazing info on their website about results from their pads at both the Nurburgring 24 and the 24 at Le Mans. And apparently Endless brake fluid is used in Formula One by the Brawn GP team and is OE on Porsche factory racecars. (http://endlessusa.com/main/)

    I guess no one else on here has ever had any experience with Endless, but it's impossible to argue against those results. I'd still love to hear about it if anyone does, but nevertheless, I'm definitely convinced.
     
  4. AustinMartin

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    Lol!!! Do you know who you just commented? Rik(RTB) owns(?) Team Modena, a LMS team that has had a tons of success racing in Europe. He knows what he is talking about.
     
  5. cletus

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    So???? Its nice to have such people on the board, but what they say is not the only advice one should seek.

    Brembo makes a good product, but I think people see them as the be-all,end-all brake company. Unfortunately (for them) there are several companies out there making equal or superior products, Endless being one of them.

    OP - Endless is very well known to japanese car fans. They have also had great succes in the JGTC (Japanese Grad Touring Cars), Rally, LMS,ALMS and Braun F1.

    Brembo (like Sony, GE, BOSE) will always be a known company and could make complete ****, box it and it would sell, because there are soooooo many Brembo nutswingers out there.

    And Endless makes monoblock caliper too, but they are not painted, so they dont fade/discolor from track use!
     
  6. MWerman

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    I wasn't arguing against him, nor saying that Brembo is a bad product. As I said previously, I really like Brembo's product, but they're not a brake pad company. And this thread is about brake pads and fluid. I hear Brembo fluid is good, although more expensive than Endless without any performance gains over them.
     
  7. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

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    From the Brembo site:

    Pads
    Brembo Racing presents its Racing Brake Pads Project, that completes the package regarding its offer of components for racing brake systems.

    Now Brembo is able to offer besides calipers, discs, m/c and pedal boxes, also a range of pads exclusively for competitions, realized using all Brembo Racing experience.

    Carol
     
  8. MWerman

    MWerman Rookie

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    Oh, wow. I stand corrected.

    What are your impressions of their RB-170 or 250 compounds, Carol?
     
  9. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

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    I don't have a clue - I just was surprised by the comment that Brembo didn't make brake pads and did some searching! It just stood to reason that they'd make an entire package.

    Carol
     
  10. MWerman

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    #10 MWerman, Aug 19, 2009
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    I know that for the longest time they didn't really make anything worth mentioning. I guess they finally came up with something. I'll look into it on my end too.

    Anyone ever try these new Brembo race compounds?

    Edit:
    Rik (RTB), are you guys currently using the Brembo compounds? I'd love to hear what you think of them in comparison to what else you've used, like Pagid, PFC or Ferodo.
     
  11. cletus

    cletus Karting

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    Its cool, my comment was directed at AustinMartin. In my experience with Brembo pads (not racing compounds, but street) They are pretty expensive and dont really have that much greater performance.

    I do not see a problem with Ferrari using Endless components just because they are from a japanese manufaturer. They are simply looking for the best parts that will perform to their standards........Btw Endless is pretty big with the p-car guys in touring car and endourance racing too......
     
  12. b-mak

    b-mak F1 Veteran

    I don't know anyone who used Brembo racing pads. Never even heard that anyone uses them.
     
  13. Latsyrc

    Latsyrc F1 Rookie

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    LOL same here...I thought they did it all. My world is now upside down! :p
     
  14. MWerman

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    Definitely. In hindsight, the thread title probably wasn't the best choice. My main point of surprise was that they weren't using Pagid or PFC. From my knowledge almost all professional teams swear by one or the other. I found out that Risi actually used Pagid before switching to Endless and that the Endless pads offer better modulation, better initial bite, less pad wear and less wear to the discs. Sounded too good to be true until I found a couple weekend track guys who said the same thing.

    I've still yet to find anyone that's ever used one of those Brembo racing compounds.
     

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