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RM Auction 2010

Discussion in 'Vintage Ferrari Market' started by tx246, Aug 13, 2010.

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  1. elads

    elads Formula Junior

    Dec 29, 2004
    282
    israel
    Full Name:
    elad
    Hi
    I'm not sure how you disagree with my net price approach? as per your post just before this one , you tell us to view the sellers commission as a set percentage amount – that rarely gets negotiated, so why debate the same point you cited?! Please clarify, you seem to be contradicting yourself.
    All I'm saying is that since both buyer and seller don’t see the same price, the hammer price is the most accurate one. Why don’t they quote a stock's price with the commission in it? Because it varies and is not the clearing price of the asset..

    My inside info - and its not "inside" - simply amounts to the experience over the past 4 months when i was approached with an open mind to commission structures provided I consigned a car. Using the word unethical in this context is poor form.

    Beyond this point, i don't follow the rest of you post Bill, sorry for being slow.

    elad
     
  2. JazzyO

    JazzyO F1 World Champ

    Jan 14, 2007
    12,156
    The Netherlands
    Full Name:
    Onno
    I agree. He was the one that made the Monaco sale a success last May. More than 8 hours straight on the block, I take my hat off for him. You should see him charm people in fluent Italian, French and English all without taking a breath. It's impressive.


    Onno
     
  3. Diablo_4_Ever

    Diablo_4_Ever Formula Junior

    Nov 9, 2004
    949
    Netherlands
    Does anyone know what time GMT auction will start tomorrow so I can view it online? Thx
     
  4. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Oct 17, 2001
    34,328
    Full Name:
    Joe Mansion
    Any info on that Daytona?
     
  5. robert_c

    robert_c F1 Rookie

    May 12, 2005
    3,417
    SoCal
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    Robert C
    All my quotes are hammer price.
     
  6. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    I agree. He seems to be able to come across as less formal than British auctioneers, but conducts the auction completely unlike typical American auctioneers who sometimes appear to be selling pork on the hoof. We met him briefly before the Maranello auction last year, and Mrs. Jack-the-Lad was completely charmed. (Not charmed enough to bid on a car, though!)
     
  7. Peloton25

    Peloton25 F1 Veteran

    Jan 24, 2004
    7,646
    California, USA
    Full Name:
    Erik
    #32 Peloton25, Aug 14, 2010
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2010
    Sale begins at 6 pm PST, so 1 am GMT.

    >8^)
    ER
     
  8. 275gtb6c

    275gtb6c Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    Oct 30, 2006
    1,942
    europe
    Full Name:
    oscar
    Hi Elad,

    Regarding Bill's comment I think he metioned I cannot agree more....As the hammerprice is the nett price.

    ciao
    Oscar

    typed with fingers on a Ipad......
     
  9. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
    Owner

    Jan 11, 2008
    41,692
    Sarasota
    Full Name:
    David
    Excuse an opinion from a neophyte but isn't the hammer price the only one that the public knows for sure? Using it as the standard insures an apples to apples comparison. Or am I missing something.
    Congrats on the sale Bill.
     
  10. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

    Dec 8, 2004
    12,641
    South East
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    Jimmie
    Increasingly houses are posting hammer price including buyer commission which seems a clearer picture to me too ie the cost to buy the car - although I did note that one gives you the option of hammer or hammer plus commission
     
  11. elads

    elads Formula Junior

    Dec 29, 2004
    282
    israel
    Full Name:
    elad
    If he meant disagree= agree, then all is fine with the world! :)

    Good luck to both buyers and sellers.

    this game is fun anyhow you look at it.

    elad
     
  12. The Red Baron

    The Red Baron Formula 3

    Jan 3, 2005
    1,130
    Full Name:
    Warren

    Every year there is disagreement on the price listed by members. The way I understand it is such. To give a comparable price line of sales the hammer price should be used. However to give a more realistic value of each cars price it should reflect the total money coming out or going into your wallet. Whether you are a buyer or a seller also in this scenario changes. If the car has a hammer price of 100,000 and your a seller , you will for all intense and purposes get back 90,000 in hand. If your the buyer of that car it would cost you 110,000. Generally it is always asked "how much does that cost".
     
  13. footUNDER

    footUNDER Karting

    Jan 28, 2005
    171
    Nashville, TN
    Full Name:
    Doug Hudson
    Thoughts on Lot 327
    1960 Ferrari 250 GT Series II Cabriolet
    SN 1805
     
  14. 3M7M5

    3M7M5 Karting

    Sep 26, 2004
    183
    #39 3M7M5, Aug 14, 2010
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2010
    Maybe I was watching the auction at the wrong time. I turned it on at the very tail end and he just seemed unprofessional to me. He was on the block for 6 hours though so I gotta give him that.

    Pretty incredible line-up tonight. If anyone wants to follow along, the online catalog is here: http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/55b81963#/55b81963/1
     
  15. Peloton25

    Peloton25 F1 Veteran

    Jan 24, 2004
    7,646
    California, USA
    Full Name:
    Erik
    Lot No. 335: 1959 Ferrari 410 Superamerica Series III - $1,600,000

    >8^)
    ER
     
  16. 3M7M5

    3M7M5 Karting

    Sep 26, 2004
    183
    Lot 339: 1966 Ferrari 500 Superfast

    $1,025,000
     
  17. 3M7M5

    3M7M5 Karting

    Sep 26, 2004
    183
    Lot 342: 1954 Ferrari 500 Mondial Berlinetta

    $1,425,000
     
  18. 3M7M5

    3M7M5 Karting

    Sep 26, 2004
    183
    #43 3M7M5, Aug 14, 2010
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2010
    Lot 343: 1931 Bugatti Type 51 Works Grand Prix Racing Car

    $2,750,000 high bid, no sale
     
  19. 3M7M5

    3M7M5 Karting

    Sep 26, 2004
    183
    Lot 344: 1971 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona Spyder

    $900,000
     
  20. 3M7M5

    3M7M5 Karting

    Sep 26, 2004
    183
    Lot 346: 1958 Ferrari 250 GT Series I Cabriolet (PF)

    $1,475,000
     
  21. RAMMER

    RAMMER Formula 3

    Feb 20, 2004
    1,187
    Miami
    Full Name:
    Rammer
    I would love some info on the $200k Daytona???
     
  22. 3M7M5

    3M7M5 Karting

    Sep 26, 2004
    183
    Lot 349: 1966 Ferrari 275 GTB/6C Alloy

    $1,050,000
     
  23. 3M7M5

    3M7M5 Karting

    Sep 26, 2004
    183
    Lot 351: 1954 Ferrari 375 MM Berlinetta

    $4,200,000
     
  24. 3M7M5

    3M7M5 Karting

    Sep 26, 2004
    183
    Lot 353: 1949 Delahaye Type 175 S Roadster (Saoutchik)

    $3,000,000
     
  25. 3M7M5

    3M7M5 Karting

    Sep 26, 2004
    183
    Lot 355: 1956 Ferrari 250 GT Coupe (Boano)

    $400,000
     

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