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RM Auctions lot 132 '91 Ferrari US F40

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  1. Ferraripilot

    Ferraripilot F1 World Champ
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    Ferrari F40 (89441) - RM Friday Lot #132 - US$650,000


    Anyone else surprised by this? This car had something under 5k miles I believe? I thought for sure it was going to bump 800-900k, especially considering a 330 made 500k and the similarly priced 246! Goes to show you that you never know what's going to happen in Monterey.
     
  2. kverges

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    That looks about right to me - while I think F40s are valuable, I think $800k is high. I personally think the cars are headed that way, however. Also, remember that with a $650K hammer price, the actual transaction cost is higher.
     
  3. joe sackey

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    Buyer & seller are happy.
     
  4. mrcarlosspicey

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    Id be curious to see what a gentleman in the Omaha areas collection is worth (Joe maybe you could help me on this one). The three most notable cars he has aquired are 3 of the 4 Ferrari halo cars (Enzo, F40, and 288GTO). Eac have never been registered and each have only factory miles on them. They have never seen the road and probably never will. Anyone have the estimates on what there worth?

    All are red if that makes a difference.

    Here are some pics in the middle of the thread (since then he has aquired a 458 and a 599GTO)
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205855&page=34
     
  5. joe sackey

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    Delivery mileage Ferrari Supercars definitely bring a nice premium. Hard to say without knowing condition though... he is missing the F50, I wonder why?
     
  6. amenasce

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    Is there a delivery mileage F50 left?
     
  7. joe sackey

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    I know of a ROW car with delivery miles.
     
  8. Tenney

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    99999 is close. 800 miles or so as of last year?
     
  9. ForzaMar23

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    There is a 510 mile (as of today), formally 499 mile F40 that was just acquired :-D
     
  10. joe sackey

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    When I think delivery miles I'm thinking 200 miles or less.
     
  11. Challenge

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  12. Moflash

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    Is this 510 mile car available for sale?
     
  13. mrcarlosspicey

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    I make a few people VERY mad everytime I bring up this gentleman. From what I've gathered he wasnt given the option to purchase the F50.
     
  14. joe sackey

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    That's unfortunate.

    Still, thanks for sharing.
     
  15. mrcarlosspicey

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    Yeah, glad I could pass on the info. I wish I knew more about the guy than just he collects Ferraris and is very disclosed. Hopefully some day those beauties will see the road once more. Its not everyday that you see a collection as pristine as that especially in the Cornhusker state.
     
  16. yoda

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    Yes, still between 8-900 miles on the clock.
     
  17. ross

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    those seats do not look like mine, so am assuming this is an early model
     
  18. sherpa23

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    US seats, Ross. I have the same seats in mine.
     
  19. 250P

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    All to their own huh. Maybe he's got another of each that he actually drives. Full size 'burago' and one for the road..
     
  20. mrcarlosspicey

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    His road cars are a 911, SL class benz, and a range rover. I hope he does something with them soon.
     
  21. ross

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    they made different patterned seats for the usa market?? why?
     
  22. sherpa23

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    It probably has to do with the fact that we have those stupid mouse belts. FYI the seats are actually the exact same seats as the Serie Speciale 348 seats except covered with nomex instead of leather.
     
  23. joe sackey

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    #23 joe sackey, Aug 27, 2012
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    Ross:

    The USA F40 is a unique spec F40 and is completely different from the European/Rest of the World cars.

    The seats are two-piece items in order to adjust to both travel & rake.

    See the comparison below with the Eu/ROW seat imaged first.
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  24. joe sackey

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    On the subject of the USA F40, the differences were borne out of DOT mandates at the time. The major differences are:

    1. USA production spanned from early 1990 to late 1992. Chassis numbers to follow (European production started late 1987).
    2. USA F40s weigh in at 2878 lbs dry. Actual USA F40s weighed by FNA with all fluids and half-a-tank of gas weighed in at 2969 lbs (European cars are stated at 2717 lbs dry).
    3. USA F40s have aluminum gas tanks with twin fuel pumps mounted within the tanks ( European cars have rubber fuel cells which require replacement each 7 years with externally located fuel pumps ).
    4. USA F40s have twist-off gas caps (European cars have the locking items).
    5. USA F40s were all supplied with the variable ride height system deleted (some European cars were thus supplied).
    6. USA F40s have 2-peice seats with reclining backs and a passive restraint system (European cars have single-peice seats with 3-point seat belts).
    7. USA F40s have their tow-hook attachment mounted directly into the chassis (European cars attach to the front body).
    8. USA F40s have a final drive ratio of 10-29 (European cars are rated at 11-30).
    9. USA F40s acheive maximum torque of 58.8 kgm/427 ft lbs at 4300 rpm (European cars acheive this same torque at 4000 rpm).
    10. USA F40s are rated "at or above 500 bhp" @ 7000 rpm (European cars are rated at 478 bhp at same rpm).
    11. USA F40s were the first car to utilize metallic (titanium) based catalysts to allow faster warm up and greater resilience.
    12. USA F40s have a 'secondary air injection' for emissions that can be heard at each start up.
    13. USA F40s had to pass DOT front, rear & side impact tests. These include the 2.5 mph front and rear tests. Accordingly the bodywork is strengthened.
    14. USA F40s have a drag co-efficient of 0.34CX including the rear wing (European F40s are rated the same).

    With respect to the gear ratios, please note the following:

    First gear - 1:10.707 (USA), 1:10.069 (Euro)
    Second gear - 1:6.628 (USA), 1:6.262 (Euro)
    Third gear - 1:4.745 (USA), 1:4.463 (Euro)
    Fourth gear - 1:3.724 (USA), 1:3.501 (Euro)
    Fifth gear - 1:2.965 (USA), 1:2.787 (Euro)

    I started a dedicated thread for the USA cars years ago, and lo-and-behold its still going strong. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157763&page=178
     
  25. joe sackey

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    #25 joe sackey, Aug 27, 2012
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