road-going 'ALLOY' 365 GTB/4 Daytona - barn find

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  1. Makuono

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    #1 Makuono, Aug 23, 2017
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    First time I hear about these "alloy" Daytona. Amazing find. Unbelievable how such car is kept secretly.

    "The ONLY ROAD-GOING 'ALLOY' 365 GTB/4 DAYTONA IN EXISTENCE...

    ...This is the only street version of just five lightweight Alloy Daytonas ever built. Recently discovered in #Japan after being hidden away for nearly 40 years, it will be offered at our #Maranello sale in remarkable, unrestored condition for the very first time."


    https://www.instagram.com/rmsothebys/



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  2. sperry

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    I wonder if they'll wipe the dirt off for the auction.
     
  3. miurasv

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    RM Sotheby's state: "This is the only street version of just five lightweight Alloy Daytonas ever built."

    I thought there were 6 other alloy Daytonas which are Comp cars as follows: 12547 which RM refer to in their description of this car which is 12653 plus 5 of the 1971 Series 1 Comp Daytonas as follows: 14407, 14429, 14437, 14885 and 14889.
     
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    I think whoever made the Instagram post made an error as the catalogue states this was additional to the 5 series 1 cars. however that still omits reference to 12547.

    1969 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona Berlinetta Alloy by Scaglietti | Ferrari ? Leggenda e Passione 2017 | RM Sotheby's
     
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    I think that the dirt is holding the car together. Man that is a rough piece, a very expensive restoration for the next owner.
     
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    Look at the pictures of the interior, especially the seats.

    Barn find originality can also mean decrepit. If the car is properly cleaned up and made mechanically functional does it diminish in value?
     
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    Nice and interesting Daytona.

    It should be SIX comp. alloy cars and ONE road car.

    if the car needs body off restoration, full mechanical overhaul, retrim, rechrome, refurbish everything it will be in the million plus (if done by Classiche)
    But I read: Application for certification submitted to Ferrari Classiche.
    So I doubt if you go to Coachbuilder X and Engineering comp Y your car will be certified, but I might be wrong.

    Strip the paint off and you can see the corrosion on the alloy body. It might be very good after all those years of neglect.
     
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    Drooling here.

    I love this car. Wish I was bidding.

    I would sort out the mechanicals and the suspension, wash it and drive it for a while, then decide later whether or not to ever do anything with the cosmetics.
     
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    How much lighter is it?
     
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    Back in the day, I brokered an alloy car to Rick Schramek and Ray Ramsey (Ferrari of S.F.), but don't have a record of the S/N. It was at that time that the original keeper of S/N's, Jess Pourret, told me that the comp Daytonas were built in 3 series of 5 each, of which only 1 (5 cars) were alloy. Jess has been proven wrong once or twice, but generally he had good factory info.
    Since the car in question is alleged to be a road car, the above may have no relevance.
    I think Jess still helps out a bit at Classiche.
     
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    14437?
     
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    #12 Tenney, Aug 24, 2017
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    Barn finds are hot at the moment (and that's a cool car!). Though would guess that, unless that dirt has a point of view (LeMans? Daytona?), someone will wash it at some point and sell it for more money. Meanwhile, go Herman ...!
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    The A/C looks like a bogus aftermarket item, not factory.
     
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    Steering wheel not correct either is it? Abarth???

    A minor thing though.
     
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    The car looks like it was submerging in water for a time, with all the steel components corroded. Good thing it is an alloy body ;)
     
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    I agree... but that means someone installed the compressor, condenser, dryer, hoses, tubes, belts, pulleys, wires and who knows what else in it somewhere.

    Looks also like some butchery of the door panels for a radio as well.
     
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    Oh come on, regardless of what it looks like now, we all know that in a year or so it will be on the lawns of Pebble Beach looking like its been in a deep sterile hibernation since the day it left the factory, the years of use will be swept away from its history completely and forever.
     
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    I could see it displayed at "The Peterson Museum" just as it sits roped off with those red velour
    Ropes :)
     
  24. Laserguru

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    Can't really call that a barn. But I now feel highly motivated to go check all my dilapidated sheds to see if there might be something interesting hiding under the rotting canvas tarps.

    Really, how did this once upon a time beauty just go abandoned under a shed for 40 yrs? SMH....
     
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    Also , all the bumpers have been painted black, the steering column stalk on the LH side of the column is aftermarket and looks like it has a button on the end of the stalk for maybe cruise control???
     
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    With the various items that have been swapped-out here and there, it's not really a "time-capsule" - as originality has already been altered.

    If the sheetmetal's still good, might be best not to take it apart - but restoring the various pieces to original could be ok while the hobby decides what dust is good dust?
     
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    #25 wildcat326, Aug 25, 2017
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    Two questions:

    1) Is there any chance that, as an alloy one-off, it had some other trim features unique to it, like the steering wheel?

    2) Am I the only one who thinks that it looks about a $600 detail job away from "not that bad?"

    Mind you, I'm not saying the hoses haven't rotted and the engine doesn't need a refresh, but otherwise looks like the interior has lost color due to humidity and probably will have a misty stench from rotting seat foam. I PROBABLY could Cannonball it with the windows down for fresh air if I had to:) But then, I sorta like "patina."
     

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