Roads minister attacks Hamilton

Is driving fast against the law? Yes it is. I'd say driving fast down a busy public street is a lot worse than doing a fishtail out of a parking lot, but that's just me.

LOL... come on, you're reaching here. It's easy to see Alonso is flying. It would be extremely easy to identify exactly how fast he is traveling in the video, because we can very simply measure the distance he moves over time and get a very accurate speed. It shouldn't be hard at all to identify where this took place, and I would wager the speed limit is pretty standard on that type of road, and it's obvious he was well over it.

And since this is a serious enough offense for the driver to be detained and the car impounded, surely it is serious enough to warrant 5 seconds of detective work to verify if indeed Alonso broke the law and needs to be summonsed too, no?

Would you rather your daughter be in a car with someone who does a fishtail as they enter a public roadway then goes the speed limit, or someone who flies through the streets well above the speed limit but who entered the roadway without drama?

And again, the law doesn't require one to be caught, simply that proof exists. We know video evidence is enough to convict someone because it happens all the time.

So why shouldn't Alonso be summonsed as well?

 

Steve, sadly I believe My time has been and gone. As I have said in another thread, I'm a dinosaur living in the modern age, and basically, not all of it has changed for the better!.


(You know you're getting old when you start sentences with: "Back in My day.....")

 

The threat is about Hambone doing something stupid again. He will be charged and then it will be forgotten. The bottom line is who cares. Life goes on.

 

In the eyes of the law (and I believe this to be the case in Australia, the UK and in the USA), once your driven wheels have broken traction, you are classified as no longer being fully in control of the Vehicle. Driving fast is not necessarily classified as not being in full control of the vehicle unless it can be proved that the driver was unable to stop in time in the event of an incident occuring. (Other laws such as reckless endangerment, reckless driving or driving without due care and attention would still apply however).

Had Lewis Hamilton been seen by police doing Burnouts and spinning his wheels in LA, he would have received similar attention from the police as he did in Australia.

And it would be just as easy for a decent lawyer to argue that the quality of the footage, the angle it was taken at and the lack of a proper, calibrated speed calculation makes the prosecution evidence very dubious. Just because it looks too fast doesn't make it conclusive proof that it was too fast.

It could be argued by Alonso that he felt personally threatened by the car doing the filming, having seen it recklessly changing lanes to catch up with him and so he felt his best course of action was to get away from the car as fast as possible (unlikely?, David Beckham used that very excuse to get off a speeding charge in the UK!). If the police in Australia decide there's a case to answer then I'm sure we'll find out, but My money would be that nothing would come of it.

If it can be proved without doubt that Alonso broke the law, then yes he should be summonsed. However, based on the poor quality footage available, I doubt wether the Australian police would bother pursuing it.

I would rather she was with the one who is in full control of his car and paying full attention to what is going on around him, not some clown doing burnouts and fishtailing up the road trying desperately to impress people and not paying full attention.
and if she had to choose between two F1 drivers, she'd damn well better choose the Ferrari guy over the Mclaren guy!.

There is a phrase that the law does require however, and that is: "Beyond reasonable doubt". Whilst the footage shows someone in a Ferrari that looks like Alonso, it's not conclussive that it is Alonso. At no point in the footage can the registration plate of either of the Ferrari's be made out, so as I say, "Beyond reasonable doubt"?, I wouldn't put My money on it.

In Hamiltons case however: "Beyond reasonable doubt?", absolutely!.

 

really? I LIVE here and I've never seen or heard any evidence to support that.

what information are you relying on?

 

Asstralia...pretty lame.

Give him a fine and be done with it.

 

Everything else you wrote is just justification for why Alonso really didn't do anything wrong. You're hanging your hat on technicalities. You and I both know that Alonso was speeding on that tape, and any serious review would conclude the same thing. The arguments you are presenting could mostly apply to Hamilton as well ("I was trying to get away from a crazed fan!").

But I think the line above says it... that you believe if Alonso could be proven (why do you put the standard at "without doubt" when you said previously the standard is beyond a *reaonsable* doubt? Alonso is privy to a higher burden of proof than others?), then he should be charged the same as Hamilton.

I say that is nuts. Impounding a car for doing a little burnout is a ridiculous over-reaction.

And it's interesting that in your post you increase the severity of Hamiltons offense (a burnout up the road desperately trying to impress people) vs downplaying what Alonso did (how do we know he was speeding? How do we know it was Alonso? How do we know what the speed limit is? How do we know he wasn't scared?).

You're reaching Phil. I know you don't like Hamilton and don't like McLaren and I think that is seriously coloring your view of this situation - especially in relation to the harsh criticism of Hamilton and endless excuses for Alonso.

 

We get hammered over here with speeding cameras ect, I hate the cash cow money grabbing hypocritical police state, with there do as I say not as I do policy, thats the message it sends out to me.

Making a meal out of this will backfire, because the bad lads will have more respect for him, and this is highlighting it, it should have been and kept a low key affair IMO.

I got pulled just because of the car I was driving and I knew that, so it was a on the spot fine with a endorsement, I told them stick it where the sun dont shine, I argued so much I thought I was going to get arrested, they said I was speeding, then telling me they had it on a speeding gun, it went to court and they threw it out, why because they were lying...fullstop. Had I taken a on the spot fine more fool me, but milllions do pay for a easy life.

Top and bottom if the law says you were speeding you have to prove you were not.
And that is not easy, the law is stacked that way drivers are a easy target for easy cash.

 

he looks much like the donut eating cop in the video

Carol

 

nice post Mike - street racing if far more serious than a burnout - at least Hami didn't hurt anyone whereas the other could have caused a very bad situation - wonder what the Aussie reprimand is for street racing???

Carol

 

car being impounded (which wasnt his anyway)
3 demerit points off his license (which he doesnt have cos he is using an international license)
fine approximating $300.00 or up to $500.00 (which shouldnt bother him as he probably spends that on buying a round of drinks)

 

I am happy with the way the laws are here!
Its great to know that our roads are much safer than in the USA, or anywhere, as we try to control the level of dick**ads and dangerous driving on the roads...


I don't even know why this is such a big deal. Free press for MB, and its not like he will feel any of the punishment... Plus, all the racer boys in Melbourne will get another reminder...
Everyone wins...

 

Cars are crushed ... eventually (caught too many times, etc.).

Victoria is a nanny state (I drove through there only a couple of weeks ago and never sped at all!!!. Only a couple of km's over and you get a ticket. Doesn't make the road any safer, accidents still happen due to bad driving), and Australia prefers NOT to properly teach people how to drive and thus resorts to doing things after people are irresponsible on the roads.
Pete

 

Ron Walker's comments were wayyyy outa whack "we should just let it slide".......if it was an 18 year old in a HSV the greenies would be saying f1 promotes mental anguish and as a result the world is unsafe with F1. But cos it was a F1 driver he should be excused.......i didnt realise F1 drivers were above the law. Ronny should stick to working out how to not lose 40 mill per annum on a dead race

 

you're not very bright are you ?

who asked you to come here ?

self-righteous people are stopped by our border control ..... I was born here so they don't know what to do with me

please don't speak with any thought here, you'll ruin the tone of the level of thought that goes into the posts

you are a racist **** and I'm reporting this post .... if old Dm_NSTUFF or Tifosi12 don't get to hack this post and twist it for their own fascist reasons

unlike you class consious lot we have an egalitarian society here where NO-ONE is above the law, check how many people have had their car impounded for the same rubbish, it's got NOTHING to do with him being a Brit, F1 driver, blah blah blah , he was a dickhead who did something stupid only hours after a prominent business owner had been killed in a car accident in the same vicinity

as opposed to how many cop cars were following an Afro-American who is suspected of killing his wife and some poor guy shagging her ?????

sanctimony really becomes you and luckily this was one of your shorter sleep-inducing posts, normally I get a good hours sleep after reading one of your posts

sure mate, let's give ALL the F1 drivers a free pass on anything they want to do (sarcasm intended)....... the myopia in this thread is only matched by the some of the small minds that post in this biased section of fchat .... I feel sorry for the very few level-headed and even-tempered members that post here and get villified for their even-handed comments.

 

I can't imagine why they would ever fire a level headed and reasonable guy like you as a moderator! Surely it was a mistake, surely.

LOL!

 

Roads there aren't safer "than anywhere"

Australia is #22 on the list for fatalities per 100,000 people.

 

you know so little and you type so much

it must be hard telling God what to do all the time .... does he fall asleep as well ??

if you really want to know why I'm not a mod any more ask Rob Lay instead of just "looking" like a fool with your big mouth and false accusations

 

It only takes a look at any of your posts to know why you are no longer a mod. You are bitter, angry, full of hate. It's no way to live - seriously! Life is short - may as well enjoy it. You get way too wrapped up and agitated at everyone on the internet. You claim to think almost everyone (who doesn't agree with your view) is an idiot - no room for reasoned difference of opinion.

Why live bitter and angry when the alternative is so much more fun?

I didn't see a lot of personal attacks until your multi-quote post where you went down the line insulting and bashing everyone one-by-one. That's what you do when you drop the F1 section.

Life's too short.

 

There was a fatal motorbike accident at the same location earlier that day, which is located right next to the F1 track. The police generally have a large presence in the area due to large F1 crowds, and doubly so because of the fatal accident.
Link: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/police-impound-car-near-grand-prix-site/story-e6freon6-1225846197825?from=public_rss

Hence doing burnouts in the area deserves to get you busted for 2 reasons:
once for breaking the law, and secondly for rampant stupidity.

He should have exercised much better personal judgement - remember most road fatalities are in the male under 30 age group and as a young F1 driver he is seen as role model for that demographic, so hooning in cars is "not cool"

Lastly, in making the decision to pull him over, the cops would not have known in advance whether he was an F1 driver or a car thief on drugs doing burnouts / joyrining and potentially on the way to even more mayhem, indeed the latter would have been much more likley, image how surprised they were when it was an F1 driver.

M

 

thats harsh........we aussies are not all racist

in fact we dont mind illegal aliens......everybody should own a couple


but seriously............we are no more racist than the asian countries that surround us

 

moretti is not hateful..........heck i had him in a cabin going to tassie last year, his farts were hateful but the person was by no means hateful

 

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maybe some self-proclaimed expert googler like yourself needs some reminder of the past :

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158530&highlight=moron&page=23

this was also the same "level-headed" poster all you sycophants sucked up to and he reneged on the $10k bet he made with another guy on here while along the way this "wonderful" person berated and belittled whoever he felt like.


You can keep dribbling about people being angry , bitter etc etc but you're projecting man, give it a rest, no-one believes you know everything, good god, I'm super smart but even I have to label the shoes left and right ..... google doesn't always help

yeah, go on check some of my posts , you'll see I love having a laugh, not today because my mum had $400k+ stolen from her, so I may be a little miffed, but normally I'm up for a giggle.

Self-proclaimed googlers presenting "their" knowledge as "fact" is pathetic

 

sorry man, it was that curry you bought for me

 

How rude.