Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

Exactly. Leclerc is Monagast. I'm just spitballing here but it seems to me people who live in Monaco aren't your average Joes shopping at Walmart.

 

Lance was Canadian Karting Champ at 13, Won the pre F4 Tasmin series in New Zealand, was F4 champ and won the F3 Championship by a wider point spread than anyone in history with two less races in the season than previous years!
In his first year in F1 he was just a few points behind Massa who had 15 years experience. Then Williams went downhill and couldn’t be competitive. Wouldn’t you be pissed if you were paying for a competitive car and were sold a dangerous ill handling car that was slower than the year before?
Perez is probably the best of the rest and a tough benchmark, and Lance is with a new team, and 20 years old, give some time and let’s see what happens.
If he can get used to the new team and start to qualify better, along with his great starts and good race pace we may see more points.

 

Yep, and how many **** on him? He comes from a very wealthy family. No one gives him **** because he's proven.

Ricciardo's dad isn't exactly poor. Far from it. Anyone calls him ****, ever?

 

As far as i know,m Charles was not exacly swimming in money, he was not rich like Jules for example...he said once his grandfather was rich but not his parents.

 

Outside of pay or family owned teams he is not employable in F1. Massa was hardly troubled by him. His radio calls in a number of races were of an utterly confused driver not a professional with overt skills. His peers are beyond him.

 

He's in front of Albon, Kvyat, Grosjean and Giovanzzi andonly a couple of points behind Ricciardo and Hulkenberg. Give him a break and let's see what happens at the end of the season.

 

Point out nicely the weakness in the other teams machines than skill needed as a driver. Toro is a Honda PU test team lol

 

Do you know a poor Monegast ?

 

They had a good sized apartment in Monaco mate, they weren't poor. Compared to some neighbours of course they weren't ''rich rich''. Look at his moms dads company

 

TheMayor, not everybody that lives in Monaco is rich, that's a total misconception. On the contrary, in general the native Monegasques are not rich, excluding the royal family of course. The very rich who live there are the foreigners.

I haven't looked into in the details but Monaco has a law that assigns certain housing to monegasque citizens only. For example, a landlord of such type of housing cannot rent it to a foreigner. This law basically creates two separate real estate markets: one for foreigners, absurdly expensive, and one just for natives where at least rent is payable.

I once stayed in an apartment block there and I noticed the residents where pretty much middle class people and most of cars in the garage were humble Renaults and Citroens.

If I am not mistaken Leclerc had said his mother works as a hairdresser. I never heard of a rich family where the spouse works as a hairdresser.

Ehh.. No, sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. Unfortunately in motorsports the driver that has more money will have more chances to proceed to the next level. When Lance went to race in go karts in Europe his father put him in the best team (Chiesa Corse). If my memory is good he had around 3 team mates racing in the same category, the KFJ. However, there he couldn't buy advantages inside the team and when compared to the others he was JUST AN AVERAGE DRIVER. He was consistently slower than the best driver of the team.

In F4 and F3 he indeed got good results, not doubt, but he again was in the best team (Prema), with a battalion of specialists to support him, even Luca Baldisserri left his job as Ferrari Academy director to become Stroll's consultant. Another key factor that contributed to Stroll's success in F3 was that in the year he won the championship the known talented drivers on the grid were rookies whereas Stroll was in his second year in the best team that his father purchased!!!!

If you check his time as Massa's team mate, he was considerably slower in qualifying and Massa had a stream of bad luck during the races.

I won't get impressed if Lance starts to beat Perez: his fatherhas no scruples and I don't know what he might order to the team!

If I didn't hear it wrong he said his mother worked as a hairdresser.

 

There are "poor" (low middle class) Monegasques.

 

He was a second a lap slower than a brain damaged retiree.

He was outqualified and matched in racing by a bought for teammate.

in Daddies team he is utterly useless.

 

The law you're talking about those appartments are few and far between (at least when I was looking). The "poor" Monegasques tend to live over the border in beausoleil.

His grandfather owned a company that did very well, and his uncle now runs that. I don't know how anything went (inheritance etc).

 

From what I have seen, you couldn't survive with an average income in Monaco, like you can do across the border in France..
Everything is a lot more expensive than anywhere in Europe.
Having said that, the resident Moneguasques pay hardly any tax compared to people living outside.

 

Massa was never brain damaged or Ferrari would have dismissed him after testing him. Your brain damaged if you think Ferrari would keep a driver that was not qualified and spend hundreds of millions to keep him in the seat. Have you ever met Massa or spent time with him after he recovered from his accident?
I have, he was fine!

It’s obvious you will use any fib to put Lance down.


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But as I said, the natives don't pay the same housing costs as the foreigners. Second, as far as I remember, prices at the Carrefour in Monaco were pretty much the same as in France. If we take into account that average income there is higher than the rest of Europe and that income tax is zero, I wouldn't be surprised if the middle class there has a better purchasing power, even with the higher costs.

 

Indeed, those apartments are a minority but the Monegasques are just 1/5 of the population. The apartment I stayed there was owned by a French who lives in Nice and he explained to me that the majority of the assigned housing for the natives are not even advertised in the market.

For sure Leclerc is not a simple middle class boy, but nothing compared to Stroll.

 

Nelson Piquet admitted later after retiring that he got impaired after his crash at Tamburello, causing him to be slower, having problems to sleep, concentrate, but he hid it on purpose from Williams, Lotus, and Benetton. Massa was always an aggressive driver in the junior categories and F1 but after the accident he clearly changed.

Anyway, please let us know hints of talent from Lance. Baku 2017 was pure luck.

 

Time stamp at around 5 minutes. Palmer fully analyzes the stroll-norris crash. Seems he agrees with my analysis.

 

Yep. Same with Burti after that horrendous crash at Spa...Ferrari hired him afterwards to be test driver. Burti was obviously brain damaged as he was mixing up words for years afterwards.

 

Dude, you have a great memory! I don't remember how old I was but I remember that Prost blue car going straight on the tire barriers. Good shout!

In my opinion Piquet is one of the smartest drivers in F1 history and also one of the most straight forward and politically incorrect. Not so long ago, when Massa was racing for Williams, in an interview Piquet was asked "Do you think that Massa got any permanent damage?" He answered straight one: "I'm don't think, I'm pretty sure he has. Whenever you crash on the barriers or something hit your head at that speed, the shock in your brain will change it for the rest of your life."

 

I was around 12 or so when that crash happened but it made a lasting impression. Together with Kubica's shunt at Canada they are some of the worst crashes in F1 I've seen live.

I remember reading about the Burti crash a few years ago when he got his helmet back, in fact here are some pics:

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Poor old Rubens after the crash happened spend a few days by Burti's side when he was in hospital. Same thing again 8 years later after Massa's crash.

 

I said the same thing at the time of the "incident". Both drivers "at fault" but Stroll could have avoided it. For whatever reason, Stroll just wanted to crash because he didn't need to defend that way and HAD TO KNOW the Mac was right next to him

Palmer goes one step further and said if Stroll had moved over to give room he would have still remained in front.

 

Whe Felipe first returned to the wheel of the Ferrari after his accident, the press was told that everything was ok..but i heard a diferent story from an engineer that was at the track that day, aparently he was having trouble under heavy braking, his vision got fuzzy, wich is very consistent with what nelson said.....truth is, Felipe was never again as good as he was before, he had flashes of speed (later ion 2012 he was faster than alonso most of the time) but never again the consistency he had before.

 

I watched Kubica crash live , was right at the corner when it happened, i thought for sure he was dead , it was as nasty as it gets . Kudos to the car as it saved his life , 10 years before he would have been toast