Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

We've yet to hear from Pedro

 

In NASCAR and IndyCar, a pit crew's not allowed to so much as touch a car during a Red Flag period!

And in both those series, BOTH the drivers AND every team on the pit wall are officially notified in REAL TIME the moment a decision's taken to close the pits.

Very surprised F1 doesn't have these very same two rules.

 

I never understood in F1 why the clerk of the course (or race manager) cannot make general radio calls to all drivers and crew to announce a safety car, a pit wall closure, rescue vehicles on the track or a red flag.
All messages would be heard by drivers, pit crew and marshalls, and everybody would know what's going on.

As for interventions on the cars, that shouldn't be allowed after a red flag which is virtiually "parc fermé".

 

Not a dumb rule. Red flag means new race (hence the formation lap and the new start on the grid). Of course you can change tires and repair damage. Has been like this for decades.

If you want to criticize something it would be whether repairing a tire barrier warrants a red flag.

 

I strongly disagree with your statement that "Red flag means new race."

 

Lance put a good pass on Max lap 2 and lost the position the following lap. Without the free pit stop he would have been nowhere near a podium finish.

 

Quite to his chagrin

 

Wait what? You want to have the tyre barrier left as is? So next driver that crashes at the exact same point won't have the same protection, probably some sticky out bits of the previous barrier able to protrude the cockpit?

Spend the first half of the race behind his teammate, lucky with pitstop (didn't need one)...completely ****ed the start. Kept decent pace though once he was 3rd. Disappointed with Norris, not just the race but whole weekend wasn't quite there.

 

Hey Lance . . . .

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I struggle how you come at your logics in this posts.

Lance beat Russell (even with both at Williams)? How, when Russell and Lance never drove in the same team together? Nor can you compare the williams Lance drove in to Russell's Wiliams? Nor can you compare Lance's Tracing Point to Russell's Williams...

Lance beat Ocon? Neither in the same car or even same engine?

He had a pretty good race today but it was sheer luck that put him in the podium position. Perez was well ahead of him pre-red flag.

 

Look, we all know there's a ton of variables in racing including, occasionally red flag periods. Yeah, it was a freak race but it counts. The rich kid finished ahead of all but two other guys.

Bring on Mugello. That will be interesting . . . .

 

I'm not debating that. But some are celebrating as if he just did a monumental race. Right place right time. Kudos for the podium, but the luck he endured should be acknowledged, as should his mistake.

Same goes for Gasly btw. I'm very happy for him and him building the gap early when he could, was great. But he was nowhere before the red flag.

If anything, it highlights how daft current F1 aero is. The Mercedes with a second a lap advantage couldn't barely do any overtakes. The moment you're in clear air, you're on easy street. Turbulent air in Monza with F2 cars was noted as much as 8 seconds (yes, eight!!!) back. And that's F2...lower speeds and less complicated aero. 2022 can't come soon enough.

 

I agree Lance made a bad start but drove away from Lando, Riccardo, Bottas, Ocon and his teammate Perez.


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Well, not exactly. He got a free stop with the red flag and then was lucky not to have/cause a big accident when he went straight on at the chicane on the restart.

 

You can disagree all you want. That's exactly what it means. Those are the rules. I didn't make them.

Only difference is that instead of qualifying they use the positions at the end of original race (I believe 1 lap before red flag) and that the distance is of course now only what remains of the laps.

Look at the footage of other red flagged races (e.g. Nuerburgring). Nothing has changed. Red flag means new race.

 

We have to accept that several people got lucky yesterday, and others were not so lucky.
It was a freak race, and the result wasn't representative of the field.
But that's racing !

 

Agree
And some are the luckiest of all to drive this W11!

 

That's what I found in Wiki:

"A red flag indicates that the race, practice session, or qualifying session has been suspended. All marshal stations will signal this. Drivers may not leave the pits. All drivers on the track must proceed cautiously to the pit lane and stop. There they will be reordered in their correct racing order. Sessions may be resumed or abandoned as the race director indicates. If the safety car is deployed, the racing cars should follow it and provisions allow for the safety car to divert the field into the pit lane and wait there."

The text mention suspension, so presumably the restart isn't a new race, but a continuation.
I must say that I have always assumed that, during a race, the period between the red flag and the restart was "parc fermé" with no intervention allowed on the cars.
I have seen red flags in other series, and the cars were not allowed to be worked on.
I learnt something new yesterday !

 

Red flag in F1 means new race and because of that you can fix a broken car, refuel (we don't have that anymore I believe), add fresh tires, you name it.

IIRC there have been red flag races in the past where they even brought out a T-car to continue. Just look up some of the old races where they used red flags. They are rare though.

 

Bad on you Bas, you shouldn't quote garbage, this way it's useless to use the ignore function. Please be more selective next time.

 

As usual Lancelott sucked big time...(i confess i missed the race cause i was strollin in the mountains with wifey and daughter..good option give race results for our boys) so he folowed checo all time ( Papa stroll must further screw with checo's car becase lance is still slower), the racing gods gave him the chance of his life an still he managed to screw it...he's just hopeless....but i must admit, he's a very lucky guy, and some times, that's even better than real talent... just ask Elton!

 

You meant..he doesn't deserve a seat at all!

 

This just exposes how negatively predisposed and unfair the naysayers are!

Be that what it may, it’s official Lance is in 4th place in the Driver’s Championship and the Racing Point investigation ruling stands, and only McLaren stands between Racing Point and 3rd place, which could happen. Let’s go racing and determine the championship order for 2020. I hope we see some great racing in the mid pack, it looks like it could be interesting and let the results speak for themselves.


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Couldn't agree more. Looking forward to Racing Point challenging McLaren for 3rd WCC place.

 

would everyone feel better if we called the team by next year's team name: Aston Martin?