You're still going with the same narrative? You're still aware you're on Ferrarichat, a forum which has some seriously rich people on it...and countless Ferrari owners. Are you suffering some selective reading? Kvyat has received a LOT of stick on this forum. Even Hartley as well, despite his short time in F1. Same goes for Palmer and plenty of others.
It's you who is going on with the same narrative. Kvyat; Hartley, Magnussen, Liuzzi, and many more never had a 165-page thread only to slag them off !! The reference to "rich" isn't about Stroll but his father's wealth, that allowed him to reach F1 and stay there. I am well aware that he benefits from some protection, but so would any other pay driver, even with less performance. Stroll isn't the worst driver in F1, not now, not ever. People wax lyrics over Hulkenberg , but how many podiums did he get after ... 195 GPs? I'll tell you: NONE !!!
I'm glad Stroll is part of the grid. He is a cool dude and keeps this forum alive. I can easily see this thread's pages count double going forward. Next year will be epic against Vettel. Drivers and journeymen come and go. Lance is here to stay. #18
You really are deluded. You are right that none of them had suuch long threads, but none of them came in the way Stroll barged in. The way Stroll barged in warranted a certain amount of attention, and of course he'll be under a closer eye...he's had some supporters and detractors. Stroll himself has made more than enough mistakes that people pile on. The money brought him attention, because in the way it was waved around. I can't recall any other driver the history of modern F1 (post 80s) where the parent bought an entire team for his son. But he's not hated because he has money. That's your idea because it's the easiest thing for you to point at, and it makes you feel smug.
This is simple - Lance as others have, is granted a seat based on weak technique but wealth. He can drive but rarely 'races'. At other well managed - objective, results oriented teams, he is released. He may improve but has not overall. Its been 4 years. His race in Portugal was rookie in its execution. An utter fail. His failure to lead the team with Perez out was noted by the team. Read the press they put out. Nico stole the spotlight everytime he has been used. He might continue to drive but would anyone hire him?? Does he not show limited improvement after 4 years? His being 'interesting' as he is on the grid is now forgetful and mostly old news lol. The truth spoken by his grid mates is all you need to know of late(Norris and Ricci).
He has been hired. First by Williams, now by RP. He shows great improvement. And since you mentioned the great leader Hulk: In twice as many races he never scored a podium. Lance has two. Right. No interest at all. Page 166 and counting.
Norris took back/apologized about his comments on LH after Portugal. He did not take them back about Stroll's useless move on him on the main straight. I will find that later. When you lose support among your peers, you need help.
His seats have been paid for. Williams did not pay him lol. Simple conduit by family into F1. Lance has gifted podiums. End of. Interest in a bad way LOL. I do caveat many posts, that he might improve and surprise us. He is a good starter. Racing and the total package - a complete and different story. Would you hire and pay him? I would not.
As Nuvolari pointed out succinctly that is the wrong question. You might as well ask would I hire Hamilton without his talent or would I hire Max without his speed?
Bollocks is a matter of opinion. Lance's money being a born with 'talent' is very much FACT. As it happens Perez is hardly there on pure merit either. The attractiveness of his 'employment' is predicated on quite a bit of personal sponsorship he brings. I wonder how many F1 teams would be willing to hire Checo in the absence of his backer?
Money is not a talent. If someone finds a big bag of money somewhere doesn’t suddenly become talented. And to attract sponsors first you need to be actually good, not just been born son of someone who can afford an F1 team.
Autosport and its users provide this: Recorded his lowest grid position of the season as he struggled for grip in qualifying. In the race, he tagged Ocon’s right-rear tyre, which broke his front wing on lap one. Was last when he stopped under the safety car, knocking over his jackman as he overshot his pitbox with cold brakes, and then nearly wiped out Ricciardo when called to unlap himself ahead of the restart. Autosport rating 3 Reader average rating 2.3
In the words of Dr. Emit Brown 'You're not thinking 4 dimensionally' Money is an essential component in motor racing and to have been born into it is by definition a talent. It is a controversial truth that plays a pivotal role in a driver's advancement in motorsport. Attracting sponsors by being good is a fallacy that many people that are not deeply into the sport (on the inside) believe. The reality is that today taking a kid from zero to F1 assuming a perfect ascension is well north of 10 million Euros (I believe it to be closer to 20) In the lower categories there are plenty of kids who do amazing things but it is not until they go through various levels that you see if they are of a Grand Prix caliber. During that time there are NO true commercial sponsors out there. They are all family connections or family money PERIOD. That is to say that before a kid makes it to a level where any true sponsor or backer will push them to the F1 level then millions will have already been spent. On a global scale that makes every driver the product of a rich family. Don't for a moment believe the hard luck stories of poverty racing drivers tell you. It is part of the big lie that almost all race drivers tell. Before anyone will pay a driver to race that driver needs to spend millions to get there. Ask me how I know and I'll define the last 30 years of my life.
In the words of Dr. 375+ “Bollocks.” Money is not a talent, look at a dictionary if you don’t believe me, and the fact you need some money to start your career (which was never disputed so no idea why you picked this strawman) doesn’t mean being selected by sponsors and teams is the same as asking your dad to buy you an F1 team. Stroll sucks.
Based on his talent, Stroll belongs in the back third of the grid. No amount of money can move him up any farther. He'll race a few more years and then fade away.
He will probably be gifted the leadership of his father’s Aston company and as his credentials will be able to point to his F1 career. Regarding his driving, as Martin Brundle said about Vettel, Stroll seems to be like half a second behind his car and his Portugal mistake was clearly a case of late reaction or delayed reaction.
Nothing wrong with that. Foitek Sr. who is the Ferrari dealer of Zurich, Switzerland did the same with his son once his short lived F1 career was over. A friend of mine went there to test drive a Ferrari and Foitek Jr. accompanied him on the drive. On the way back Foitek drove: First he took off his shoes and then he floored it like only a F1 driver can. My friend hat the time of his life.
Not a chance or a prayer, not with Mercedes-Benz having operational control of Aston as the funder of last resort
Stroll ‘needs a hug’ to get back on track - https://www.planetf1.com/news/lance-stroll-racing-point-needs-hug/ Racing Point think Lance Stroll needs “a bit of a hug” to rebuild his shattered confidence after a difficult couple of months. The Canadian driver’s season has gone rapidly downhill since he finished third in the Italian Grand Prix, with a series of mid-race incidents blighting a previously promising campaign. A week after his Monza podium, Stroll crashed out at Mugello and did likewise on the opening lap of the Russian Grand Prix. Then he had to miss the Eifel Grand Prix due to illness and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. On his return, Stroll was involved in collisions with Max Verstappen in FP1 for the Portuguese Grand Prix and Lando Norris in the race itself, while at Imola he sustained a broken front wing in contact with Esteban Ocon and later knocked over one of the Racing Point crew – who was fortunately uninjured – at a pit-stop. The catalogue of incident means the 22-year-old has failed to add any further points to his own tally after a run of seven straight top-10 finishes, or help the team – owned by his father Lawrence – in their battle with Renault and McLaren for third position in the constructors’ World Championship standings. It might have been another non-score, but @lance_stroll stays in 11th place after the Emilia Romagna GP#ImolaGP #F1 pic.twitter.com/ruzJGVeGTX — BWT Racing Point F1 Team (@RacingPointF1) November 2, 2020 Andrew Green, Racing Point’s technical director, believes Stroll’s illness was a significant setback and that he needs “an arm around him” to help him get back to his best. “Obviously he’s not where he was, for sure, from Monza to where he is now,” said Green, quoted by Motorsport Week. “There’s a lack of confidence which we’ll have to work on over the next week or so trying to get him back again. “I think the illness did knock it out of him – that’s something we hadn’t really foreseen. We had heard about the length of time it can take to recover from the illness and I think it’s taking some time. “He just needs to get his confidence back again, believe in himself again, and we’ll get the Lance back that we had for the first two-thirds of the season. “He’s obviously taken quite a battering physically and mentally. It was quite a big accident in Mugello, so I think that probably dented his confidence, and then not being fit for a couple of races.” Green thinks the closeness of the midfield battle is highlighting Stroll’s struggles, with fractions of a second making a big difference in qualifying especially. “It’s really fine margins here and if you’re not on top of the car, and understanding where the tyres are and getting them in the sweet spot, you can be made to look like an idiot,” said Green. “We just need to get him back on track. We can do that, we’ve got the tools, we’ve got the people. “Half of it is probably that he just needs an arm around him, a bit of a hug, and say ‘come on, let’s pull yourself together now and get on with this over the last few races’ and try to get back to third in the Championship. Funny comment from PF1 posters. Ramiro Robles8h no hug for Checo though. Reply ZENLOTUSBadger 8h Checo doesn't need it, he´s a professional McLaren7h I think the mechanic he knocked down in the pits is the one who needs a hug.
Everyone is affected differently but if he’s not fit, Stroll shouldn’t be racing. His incident with Norris at Portugal indicated to me he’s either still feeling the effects of his illness or he’s got really bad reflexes.
I think bad reflexes...explains some of his other crashes. His Norris crash was nearly identical to the Verstappen one (in the sense that there was a driver on the inside in the same corner). Zero spatial awareness.
