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Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

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  1. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Seb the next victim of the 'team' lol :) Trainer, coach and car sales rep of Team Stroll!
     
  2. simpen

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    Well, spare a thought for Bottas then. He routinely beat his teammate at Williams (or rather: crushed), but going faster and getting better results in a much faster Mercedes now, he gets annihilated! Has his talent just disappeared? Same logic.
     
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  3. tifosi12

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    Don't even bother arguing with that "logic". Cause there isn't. The increase in results and accomplishments outweighs the increase in car performance. It's pretty obvious if you bother to actually look at the results through the years but hey, it's more fun to just bash the rich kid. Despite the fact that F1 insiders start to respect him.
     
  4. Nuvolari

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    I think that the shift in perception (by those inside of F1) from rich kid to actually delivering and earning some respect is the most impressive thing. F1 insiders can be pretty stubborn and when you are typecast it is almost impossible to break out. This works both ways as some drivers stretch out their careers much longer than they should due to perception rather than results while others are never given a fair chance and tossed out early.

    I'm sure my opinion will send the keyboard hero's in a rage but the reality is that those on the inside are see him as a solid mid-upper field driver with the added benefit of coming with sponsorship (sounds awfully familiar to Perez at a similar time in his career :D)
     
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  5. kes7u

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    Yep. Same logic. No, I do not feel like Bottas is a better driver now, even though he is achieving better results in a better car. Just like Stroll.

    See? We are in agreement!

    Kevin
     
  6. kes7u

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    The comments from his peers following his typical bone-headed moves do not agree with your assessment. They still think very little of him.

    Kevin
     
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  7. kes7u

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    This increase in accomplishments outweighing the increase in car performance. How did you get there? How did you quantify this?

    You seem to be indicating there is an objective performance boost by Stroll. Perhaps I am simply missing this. Please share!

    Kevin
     
  8. simpen

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    Funny thing mentioning Perez' change in status indeed. Only a few seasons ago, he was the pay driver only in F1 because of Carlos Slim bringing in the cash. Now he has reached Hulkenberg-level of reverence where some fans think of his disappearance as a tragedy for the sport.
     
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  9. tifosi12

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    Just look at the results. Before his run of bad luck he was temporarily 4th in the drivers' standing. He nailed a pole position and keeping a very good pace, also more aggressive at the starts. He used to just drive around but he is now fighting for positions and keeping the pace up. Just look at Turkey, leading the GP for half the time. Also occasionally beats Perez or comes very close to his times. None of this was happening in his times at Williams.

    And again,that's not just me saying this, F1 insiders are starting to take him serious. Funny enough even in the video 375 put out here probably in an attempt to bash Lance halfway through it the commentator states that Lance is actually better than his reputation. Which is kinda my point.
     
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  10. tifosi12

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    Very good analogy. Both had years in F1. Perez currently drives at his best level ever but he is also getting up in years. At least he managed podiums and a victory. Unlike Hulk.
     
  11. tifosi12

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    +18

    added emphasis
     
  12. Nuvolari

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    I would add from the top of my head Wurtz, Alesi, & Fisichella to your list.
     
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  13. tifosi12

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    Uh, oh, somebody just spilled his morning coffee...
     
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    Sincere question :
    Will next year’s racing point be a copy of the W11? That would be purely outrageous.
     
  15. Nuvolari

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    With the 2022 cars being all new designs I cannot imagine teams making an all new car for next year. Racing Point will likely just continue their development of their car making it over time more and more different to the Mercedes. A lot of loopholes in the rules have been closed up
     
  16. jpalmito

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    It seems that Racing Point’s camera budget has increased substantially for next year.:D;)!
     
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  17. jgonzalesm6

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    Sincere answer: Copying, 3d camera's have been banned....I believe it's listed parts only as opposed to non-listed parts.

    Btw, listed parts have been updated.
     
  18. tifosi12

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    That plus the fact that this season was so upside down: The teams had nothing to do till June and then basically spent every day on the road. There was little time to develop new cars from scratch. I would assume all 2021 cars are developments of the current chassis. Heck, they have barely time to put the finishing touches together: December is halfway done by the time they come home. Couple weeks of family time and then just a few weeks to get ready for the rollouts and functional tests in February.
     
  19. Bas

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    Only limited upgrades are allowed for 2022.

    Of course this ensures another title for Merc....
     
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  20. simpen

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    Copying of the Tracing Point was, hate it or love it, well within the existing rules & exploiting the vagueness of listed parts. That is why they only received a slap on the wrist, because the lack of clarity of said rules allowed this situation to arise. I still think an updated W10 will be more competitive for RP than a Haas or Williams in 2021 :)
     
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  21. Igor Ound

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    Most likely. They are allowed to use this years’ merc parts without spending any tokens
     
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  22. tifosi12

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    cool
     
  23. intrepidcva11

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    no Racing Point next year. :(

    Aston Martin :)
     
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  25. tifosi12

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    A better result than his team mate :p
     

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