Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

That's like Alitalia.

 

No, because Ferrari has acquired such a history that it can now rest on past glory.

Look at Bugatti, a constructor that disappeared in the 50s, resurrected in 2005 by VW to provide top of the range luxury cars.
The cars are truly astounding, very high-tech, ultra fast. The bottom price for any of these limited series must be around 500M €, and most are above the million. Bugatti will launch, I read, a new Chiron limited series of only 99 cars at 9.8M €, and their order book is already full. That will be their swansong to the ICE; their next cars will be totally electric, and engineered by RIMAC.

All that to say that Bugatti doesn't rely on any current sport participation to market its sportscars. They were famous on the track in the 20s and early 30s, and their last single appearance was at the French GP in 1955 !! Ferrari could do exactly the same, and quit F1 and Le Mans. The Ferrari name will for ever be famous in motoring history. I am even wondering if continuing to fail in F1 doesn"t dent its image.

 

Rumors said next Bugatti chiron replacement will be a V16 NA powered car.( Cosworth)
With hybridization..

ICE is why Ferrari is so famous in History.
Replace ICE with electric motors and the brand will decline for sure.
If Ferrari stops its commitment to the highest level of Motorsport, brand will decline too.

Again my two cents only..

 

Interesting comments. I can't say either way.

 

No, I don't think so.
There are so many examples of constructors that started racing and then turned to mass production..
Both Mercedes and Renault were pioneers in the early GPs. They became huge conglomerates. Racing is now a side show for them.
FIAT and Alfa Romeo started as racing teams; they are now high street names and dont participate in racing.
Gaston Chevrolet started as a race car driver, etc ... even Henry Ford made race cars.
All these didn't keep racing for ever, but transformed their engineering skills in profitable industries.
In 20 years time, Ferrari could cash on its name to produce affordable electric vehicles. Who knows ?

 

With respect you definitively don't understand the core soul of this brand..

Emotion, competition, beauty, outstanting engines,beautiful engineering..
Remove two of them and the Brand lost its substance to my eyes.

 

People used to say all these things about the brands I mentioned (pre-war Mercedes, Alfa, Bugatti), and then the following generations wanted something else from them. Ferrari won't be different; it's a matter of time. I am being realistic here.
I remember when Maranello could barely make 300 handmade cars a year (early 60s), now they produce more than 13000, so slowly they have already started the dilution process.
Ferrari sells more cars than Lamborghini, Koenigsegg, Pagani, Aston Martin, McLaren, etc ..., so the exclusivity is slightly eroded already.
Ferrari ramped up production by 18.5% in 2022, to 13 221 units, compared to the previous year; unheard of increase in the car industry !
The man at the head of Ferrari, John Elkan, is a financier; remember that !
Maybe he has a different idea regarding "the core soul of this brand" !!.

 

EXACTLY! Someone who understands that part of Stroll's library of talent is his wealth. Remember a talent is something you are born with and had no influence in getting. Sure driving talent is the sexy one everyone focuses on but race cars run on MONEY and ignoring that is ignoring one of the basic fundamentals of the sport.

 

Stroll isn't a pay driver anymore is he? Supposedly he is getting paid $2 million in 2023. Interestingly, Alonso is supposedly only making $5 mil.

So I guess there goes that argument that he's part of the game because he brings money.

 

Trolling again ?

 

Avoiding the question again? You side stepped @DF1 question by using the Lance brings money argument. Well since that isn't the case anymore, can you maybe go back and answer his question now?

Do you always have to get personal when you are proved wrong?

 

I hope you're not referring to DF1's question about hiring Lance if he had no wealth. That question makes no sense at all and doesn't deserve an answer.

 

It makes perfect sense. This thread is flooded with Lance Stroll does not have the skill to be in F1. The pro-Lance crowd has continued to state that it doesn't matter about his skill because he brings in millions of dollars. A simple question of if you were a team owner or team boss, would you hire him? Once again, it became about the money he brings.

As it turns out in real life, Lance Stroll isn't bringing any money. In fact he earns a lofty salary. So that argument is gone.

Why so afraid to give an answer to a very simple question?

I would have no problem saying if I was a bottom feeder team like Williams and Lance Stroll brought $18 million with him, I would absolutely hire him on a year to year basis. It doesn't change his lack of talent and he still doesn't deserve to be in F1 today.

 

It was $80 million that bought him a seat at Williams....fyi.

 

William answered that pretty clearly with his post about de Cesaris: Yes, teams would hire Lance because he brings $.

Your point that Lance doesn't bring cash because he gets a salary is flawed.

nuff said

 

A yes or no to a simple yes or no question is a clear answer.

I would love to know how the fact Lance doesn't bring money and actually gets a salary is flawed, but I fear your "clear" answer.

 

That's your opinion. Why should everyone surrender to it ?

You had your say, we had ours. Can't we just leave it at that without you trolling to have the last word?

 

It's not an opinion. 7 year history of performance metrics are facts. In response to the argument of Stroll brings money, I brought up facts that haven't been talked about.

Maybe stop trying to argue with facts because it goes against your feelings? If you or anyone else likes Lance Stroll, then that's their opinion and its fine. @tifosi12 explained why he likes Lance Stroll. I may not align with his views on why but it doesn't bother me in the least. He and anyone else can like who they want.

In a logical conversation about results, skill, team development, and economics, I do believe I should be allowed to participate. You for some reason feel the need to be ruler and decide who gets to talk and who doesn't. And when things are said you do not like, you go on the personal attacks.

 

Bonne nouvelle pour la voiture électrique de Ferrari
Article de Jean-Baptiste Passieux • 1j


Ferrari ou pas Ferrari, pas d'exception : plus aucune voiture thermique ne sera vendue en Europe en 2035. L'électrification est donc indispensable et la marque de sport italienne développe actuellement sa première voiture 100 % électrique. Surprise : ça a l'air de plutôt bien se passer !
Quand bien même la moitié des Français n’est pas au courant, l’interdiction de la vente des voitures thermiques en Europe arrive à grands pas. Aucune exception n’est prévue, même pour les marques les plus emblématiques : Ferrari va donc devoir à son tour passer à l’électrique !

Et ça se passe manifestement bien
Si nous n’avions jusqu’à présent que très peu d’infos sur le premier modèle, Automotive News Europe nous informe que le CEO de la marque, Benedetto Vigna, s’est livré à quelques confessions lors des annonces des résultats du troisième trimestre.
« Le premier projet de modèle entièrement électrique de Ferrari se déroule comme prévu, mais pour certains processus, nous sommes même en avance sur le calendrier », a-t-il en effet déclaré. Avant de préciser : manifestement, le développement de la partie électronique (capitale, vous vous en doutez, dans une voiture électrique) « fait des progrès plus rapides que prévu ». Pas encore de quoi faire bouger la date de présentation, qui reste prévue pour fin 2025, mais toute bonne nouvelle est bonne à prendre.

Mais où Ferrari échouera-t-il ?
Il est vrai que la situation a de quoi agacer. Les résultats de la marque dépassent toutes les espérances et le virage de l’électrification semble être en passe d’être réussi : les deux modèles hybrides rechargeables de la gamme, la 296 GTB et la SF90, se vendent comme des petits pains, et cette nouvelle annonce ne fait que renforcer cette impression.
Un comble pour cette marque viscéralement associée à ses moteurs essence. Et une situation d’autant plus étonnante que des constructeurs généralistes, qu’on pourrait imaginer capables de bien mieux gérer ce nouveau cap, se prennent actuellement les pieds dans le tapis…

 

Mainstream article by a « journalist «.
Copy paste directly from Ferrari marketing department.
Vigna is a tech guy.
And a professional liar.
Ferrari is an engine first and foremost.

 

Congrats Stroll
Beautiful race.

 

Brazil, Las Vegas; 2 GPS where Lance Stroll finished 5th.

Now you understand why he is a valuable #2 at Aston Martin.

 

Only IF he had a 100 points added to his current points tally.....WCC standings would be for 3rd place or 2nd place.

 

No...

 

Awesome job by Lance to come home with a fifth place from starting 19th (!) and solidly beating his teammate Alonso who spun in the first turn.

Also nice to see Lance further widening the gap to Gasly.