Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

Ouch..wasn't seing that one from Felipe..but i guess now that he's out he can say what he really things...i'm sure it won't be pretty things!!!

 

Massa finished 3 points up on Stroll, for the season, what does that say about Massa, Talented?

 

...says more about your attention when following the season. Azerbaijan was a freak race and that gave Stroll 40% of his points.

 

And one that Massa most likely would've won if his suspension didn't collapse.

 

Autosport and their review of Stroll in the final race - A realistic review

18 Lance Stroll Williams-Mercedes FW40
Start: 15th
Finish: 18th
Strategy: 3 stops (ultra-soft/super-soft/ultra-soft/ultra-soft)
Rating: 3

Hard to see positives for Stroll, who made Q2 but was over a second off Massa - which was way too much, even with an old engine.

Stroll was beaten in battle by Grosjean and struggled massively with the car almost throughout. He clearly found the race stressful and made too many pitstops. A Williams should not have finished more than a minute behind Grosjean's Haas.

 

+1.....Baku was a freak race....accidents, penalties, DNF's...even a headrest coming undone only to pit for safety.

 

Go back and look at every session where Massa and Stroll ran together. Massa beat Stroll just about every single time. Races are a bit different as you can have accidents and events (like a pit crew mistake, broken car, safety car, etc). But in just plain ol' tracking the cars in a true apple-to-apple test, Massa beat Stroll consistently and not by a little bit.

 

He didn't embarrass himself in testing, so he can step up and put laps in without the pressure of a race...

He needs to quickly learn race craft. I've never been an Alonso fan, but he is the epitome of making the best of a bad situation (i.e., race craft). If Lance can figure some of that, he has a chance.

 

and Ham's headrest didn't come loose, and Seb didn't act like a petulant child, and ..............

 

Shouldn't Massa be beating Stroll in most sessions?!?! That is what I would fully expect. Stroll is a rookie, after all, and Massa is incredibly experienced. The amount of success you are expecting from a driver in their very 1st year is a freaking joke. Oh wait, you need some reason to make fun of the fact that his dad has a ton of money, and helped his F1 mission along immensely. Like anybody on this site wouldn't do the exact same thing if in the same situation. This thread just reeks of jealousy.

 

Since this is the Stroller thread ....

IF Stroll had blocked VB at the end of Baku he would have more points than Massa.

 

Just one little problem with your comment.

Stroll REPLACED Massa for this year. When Bottas took the unexpected job at Merc then Williams had no choice but to bring Massa back.

Since coming back, Massa has cleaned Stroll's clock. So, good move to get rid of Massa for Stroll or not? Good move to put Stroll in an F1 seat with such little experience in other classes? You decide.

Look at the young rookies who had done well in their first year even with inferior equipment.

Schumacher
Vettel
Kimi
Verstappen

Stroll isn't even in their universe. He needed 2 or 3 more seasons in F3. Would it have been a crime to bring him into the sport at the "old age" of 21?

 

Autosport and their review of Stroll in the final race - A realistic review ---Guess they are jealous??. Would you hire him if he was not from a wealthy family??? He is a PAY driver lacking talent. His family is his sponsor instead of 'sponsors' in the normal sense. We want the best drivers in F1. He does not fit the mold at all. On talent alone you would hire him?? We dont focus on his wealth. The rating below is generous. His wealth is an issue for Williams and apparently you!
18 Lance Stroll Williams-Mercedes FW40
Start: 15th
Finish: 18th
Strategy: 3 stops (ultra-soft/super-soft/ultra-soft/ultra-soft)
Rating: 3

Hard to see positives for Stroll, who made Q2 but was over a second off Massa - which was way too much, even with an old engine.

Stroll was beaten in battle by Grosjean and struggled massively with the car almost throughout. He clearly found the race stressful and made too many pitstops. A Williams should not have finished more than a minute behind Grosjean's Haas.

 

Practice where Stroll was ahead:

Japan Prac 1

Budapest prac 2

Austria Prac 3

Baku Prac 2

Spa Prac 3 – The other 2 sessions Felipe car was out

Sepang Prac 1 – Felipe car was out for that

Stroll was an average P13.2 and Massa an average of P8.7 in practice

 

It says that Massa was unlucky with team strategy and Stroll was lucky with that Baku confusion.

No, you are wrong. Just look at truly talented rookies. One thing is race experience, another is outright pace. Stroll is SLOW. Young and inexperienced but talented drivers are able to put fast laps on practice and qualifying sessions. Senna, Schumacher, Ocon, Verstappen, etc., when they came to F1 they were all able to be close to their team mates' lap times, although they didn't have experience to properly perform during race. Stroll was consistently outpaced by Massa by considerable margins, usually 0.7 seconds per lap or higher, a big difference for two equal cars. We are not talking here about being consistently outpaced by Alonso or Hamilton, but by a retired driver.

You can say that this thread is just reeks of jealousy, but facts are facts:
1- Lance ran the European and World karting championships at the best possible team at the time (Chiesa Corse) and he was just midfielder.
2- He was champion on both F4 and F3, which seems very impressive, but if we look closely, we can see that in his F4 season there wasn't a single known talented driver.
3- Truth to be told, there were talented drivers during his second championship-winning F3 season, but these drivers were mostly on their first season and the F3 car is very tricky to handle without previous experience. Stroll was in his second season, with the best team, with the best engines, and even had the previous season champion as his personal advisor.
4- If he is really talented, why he was dropped from Ferrari Academy?

 

Yes Massa should be beating Stroll in most sessions, nothing wrong with that. But the margin he beats Stroll with every single time is massive. And that shouldn't happen. Stroll is not F1 material and never will be. Stroll's performance does not need defending. He tried, and in the same shoes I'd have done the same, obviously. But he has his limitations

Here is the laptimes from the last race. Even on brand new ultrasofts Stroll was barely any faster than Massa on old supersofts. Over the course of the race Stroll was 1.4 seconds a LAP slower, despite running in clear air for most of the race and Massa in dirty air. There is no excuse for this, none. You can defend him all you like but the reality is that Stroll got into the Ferrari Academy because of his dad, a billionaire and Ferrari collector. Ferrari quickly dropped him after realizing he was hopeless. The reality is that in F3 his dad bought the best engines and kept them for Stroll and the rest where distributed in a fashion that his nearest rival got the worst engines, and it still took him 2 seasons to win the title this way. The reality is that he had near unlimited testing in a 2014 F1 car and he still looked hopeless. There is no reason to be 1.4 seconds a lap slower than a damaged retiree after a year of F1.

Had he been 3 or so tenths of Massa throughout the year no one would be as loud a critic and there would likely be room for good enough improvement to run with the others. There have always been paydrivers in F1, but as long as they're competent no one minds.


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Toss in the insulting and more than 'laughable' constant testing while other talented F1 drivers made do without it and continued to outpace him. He was not ready for F1 and lacks the race-craft to succeed without other drivers crashing out or suffering failure. He is just not that good in comparison.

 

The bottom line is this. Stroll is hopeless. Always has been, always will be.

He’s no better than Palmer. He’s just richer.

 

Let's face facts here, Lance Stroll has had a whole season to get used to the car, and at 19 years of age, he is supposed to be the young gun in the team, hungry for success, pushing his older team mate at every race.

Felipe Massa is 17 years older than Stroll, facing the end of his career (for the second time in two years!), and should have been feeling the pressure from his younger team-mate, if not from the very start, then at least from halfway through the season.

The reality was, in most races this season, Stroll simply couldn't keep up with Massa, and after a whole season working with the car and engineers, he still couldn't work out how to get a similar performance out of the car to that of his team-mate!

Williams have had two drivers this season, with one driver noticeably faster than the other - And they're keeping the slower driver!

Meanwhile, Stroll is making statements that he doesn't really care who his next team-mate is, just so long as he's a "team player ".

The thing is, he should care, because if his new for 2018 team-mate comes straight into the team and out paces him throughout the season in the same manner that Massa did, Williams will have to come to their senses and realise that the points Stroll is costing them due to being too slow, are far more valuable to the team than Daddy Stroll's money.

 

If Kubica is faster than Stroll next year, Stroll should just retire.

The embarrassment would be to great for an average person.

 

I'd agree with you if I knew the numbers.
Fer instance, I'm pretty sure I heard that Renault and Toro Rosso were competing for 6 million dollars more for 5th over 6th in the championship. I think Sr. would spring for that if he wanted his son to stay in, no?
What are the F1 payouts per Championship position and what's the deal between Stroll and Williams? Sources would be nice so I can peruse myself. Thanks.

 

Rumours are $30 million per year for 3 years as far as the deal with Williams are concerned if thats what your meaning. I got that info from the Inside Line (youtube vid).

 

Partially. I'm more interested in the payouts for Championship positions and whether or not Sr. would compensate for loss of position due to his son...