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  1. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    #1 joe sackey, Oct 7, 2006
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    In 1967, Nuccio Bertone instructed young Marcello Gandini to commence work on a Miura 'showcar', with the intent of highlighting the unique collaboration between Automobili Lamborghini SpA and Carrozzeria Bertone. The project was conducted in such secrecy that Ferruccio Lamborghini himself did not see the completed car until the very day before the 1968 Brussells Salon. Dubbed the "Lamborghini Bertone Miura Roadster", the car drew gasps at the show, but Bertone had already decreed that it would remain a one-off for contemporary joint publicity purposes between Lamborghini and Bertone.
    Late that same year, the car was sent back to Bertone and completely re-manufactured in zinc and zinc-based materials. Everything was re-made in zinc, or plated in it, as a publicity showcar for ILZRO. Yes, this car has the world's only set of 40IDL Webers specially cast in zinc and this is definately one Miura that will not be subject to rust!! Bertone's re-creation was now dubbed the "Miura ZN75", and documents from the period show that no less than $200,000 was spent in its creation in 1966-69!! Thats about $4million plus today....perhaps we can say that this Miura is worth its weight in...zinc. ;-) It proceeded to be exhibited at Motor Shows all over the world from Japan to England to Australia to the USA....clearly the most travelled Miura and most viewed-in-public Miura of all time.
    At any rate, despite its one-off status (the only Miura that has any claim to the exclusive "one-off" title, since the original Jota was destroyed in 1972), the cars current owner is in a quandry.... "Shall I leave it in its famed ZN75 specification (the car is for sale thus), or shall I restore it back to its original Brussells show spec (if a new home is not found soon the owner plans to keep it long-term and embark on this course of action)?"
    I often wondered myself, in which guise is this car truly most valuable? Or appreciated?They were both completed by Bertone himself, and it has existed as the unique ZN75 for most of its life after being in its Brussells show spec for just a year...should he keep it as the ZN 75, or restore it to Brussels spec?

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  2. Michael RPM

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    If it were mine, I would keep it as ZN75. Either way, its an INCREDIBLE car.
     
  3. xs10shl

    xs10shl Formula 3

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    I would personally restore it to it's original form, among other reasons because it is the only one of it's kind. In it's current form, it is more suited for circus sideshow work, IMHO.

    What makes this car important? To me, it's because the car is <*the*> one-off Miura Roadster, not because a random company vandalized it and created a monster.

    Others may disagree - in fact, I think I'm in the minority on this one.
     
  4. prototypefan

    prototypefan Formula Junior

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    You have good taste....I think you may have underestimated it and will find yourself in the majority.

    This car is quite special to me. I looked at it a few years ago and attempted to purchase it. When the car was for sale it was offered with "some" of the parts to put the car back into the roadster configuration.

    I made an offer that was subject to the parts being included. The list never showed up, so I passed on the car, I regret it. It turned out the seller never had the parts, a previous owner did and was offering them for the car.

    The car is now for sale with Jean Guikas in France www.guikasgtc.fr
     
  5. EMILIO

    EMILIO F1 Veteran

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    i am with you 100%
    back to its original beautiful shape
     
  6. ParhamK

    ParhamK Formula Junior

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    That is the ULTIMATE classic in my eyes. Just a regular miura would have me shut up for the rest of my life, never the less a roadster.

    Beautiful, just beautiful....I never knew that car existed. Does anybody know what kind of money they want for the roadster?
     
  7. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    To roll in this one-off Miura Roadster, $900,0000 US would start a conversation. My thoughts are that the owner is just getting a feel for what it is worth by offering it, as he doesnt seem very motivated and has already made arrangements to restore the car back to its original guise using some of the very people who originally built it in 1967....the owner tells me (and I have heard from others) that it sits ensconced in his collection of 60's racing Ferraris worth $30million plus....this he reminds me of when he calls from his yacht.
    By the way, the sound this car makes is unbeleivable, especially for the driver, who experiences the full bellow of the exhaust without the roof - as the Italians might say: "Basso Supremo!"
    Expensive, yes, but oh-so-exclusive......
    Joe Sackey
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  8. EMILIO

    EMILIO F1 Veteran

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    if a "regular" SV is worth 600-700k $ that one could well be A M $ car to me

    love it
     
  9. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Joe is that top image available as a poster or something? I would like to get one if it is...
     
  10. alan

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    Thats a tricky one, i guess its better known as the zinc car and has spent most of its life thus.Its a little like the 1980s restoration of the Statue of Liberty, when some said it should return to its original copper brown color, and others felt she had become the green lady we all know and love and should be kept that way.
    Im a purist so i know the show car original would seem right, but somehow she has become the zinc and green lady we all know and love, so i guess im saying keep her as she is.
     
  11. FredParoutaud

    FredParoutaud Formula 3

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  12. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    You hit the nail on the head! For heaven's sakes - Ferrari 275 GTB/4's are bringing in excess of $900k! In terms of rarity, it must be 4 times as rare as a 275GTB/4 NART Spyder....and what did the last one of those sell publicly at? I seem to recall circa $4million...please correct me anybody if Im wrong on that price!
    If youre reading this Jean, I think YOU SHOULD KEEP IT, much as Id like to sell it for you.
    Roll up (or rather, 'roar up') in that thing at one of the rather pretentious and uppity European Ferrari meets and youll have the rank-and-file in a cold sweat!!
    By the way, the wife and I are in the South Of France next week, any chance of borrowing the keys?...;-)
    I think many dont realise just how significant this car is, in either guise. Design genius Nuccio Bertone always had a special place for this one in his heart. The original Miura was a stroke of genius, but this car is the absolute bar-none Holy Grail. The ultimate statement of one-upmanship too, if you care about that sort of thing. Wind-in-the-hair Miura motoring in its quintessential form. Sorry, Im getting carried away waxing lyrical, but I cant help it...:)

    Ciao,
    Joe
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  13. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    YES Fred, its well known that Im brokering it....but Im ALSO an enthusiast, and I just wish Jean would stop trying to sell it. He makes an excellent home for it in his "Chateaux"........;-)
    Joe
     
  14. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Sorry no poster, 1989 studio photoshoot in London when owned by Portman Lamborghini.
    Joe
     
  15. FredParoutaud

    FredParoutaud Formula 3

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    Lol, Joe, it's well known in this thread now that I've pointed it out.

    Frankly I was surprised you didn't mention that in your post. I mean, let's be honest here. Si? Non? ;^D

    Cheers,

    Fred
     
  16. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Sorry about that (didnt mean to sound flippant). Ive had TONS of interest,hence my comment about it being well-known, but nobody actually willing or able to gather up the best part of a million dollars needed to get it...I still think the owner should keep it but I thonk he is not quire sure what to do with it amongst his old Ferraris. Alos, I usually sign off with the site below so everybody can see what cars i have available.

    Joe
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  17. joe sackey

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    #17 joe sackey, Oct 10, 2006
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    Im with you man, I say keep it the way its existed for the last 38 years as the famous ZN75, Disco metallic oak green paint and all.... with its unique zinc components, all done by Nuccio Bertone himself.
    IMHO I dont think it can be restored to the Brussells Roadster (which it was for a mere 12 months) as there are just too many zinc components and the transformation was TOTAL involving body, chassis, suspension, even the radiator and exhaust are zinc wrought. To return it to the Brussells car, it would effectively have to be re-manufactured.
    If it were mine (can we talk, Jean....) Id simply drive it the way it is. BUT, only one of us gets to decide this car's fate, so its over to you, good sir...

    Thanks for all the contributions. Here are a few more images.

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  18. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
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    So, how do you work with this zinc car - is it so custom that mechanic work will be even more difficult? Can the panels be worked with like steel or are they more like aluminum?
     
  19. FredParoutaud

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    Hi Joe,

    I don't mean to act like the internet police (<<grin>>) it just struck me. And yes, you do sign off with the url, but still...there's a grey area between the post and the url. I'm sure you see what I mean.

    Anyway, the zinc Miura has never been one of my favs (but did anybody ask me??? :) no, they did not)

    But...I think it belongs in a museum -- as somebody said in a post somewhere, maybe they'd pay an extra 50 cents to see it.

    The car was auctioned a few years ago in Monterey and as I recall there wasn't much interest and it didn't sell for all that much (all things considered), tho I can't recall the price.

    Why is it suddenly worth a million bucks? Well, I shouldn't ask that cuz I guess the market will determine that...

    To me the 350GT spyders have a lot more going for them.

    Good luck with it, in this market anything's possible!

    Cheers,

    Fred
     
  20. Miura Jota

    Miura Jota F1 Rookie

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    No comments
    never seen any !
    how many?
    how do they look like?
    pics ?
     
  21. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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  22. joe sackey

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    I dont really know...
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  23. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Thats OK Fred, I know you always mean well. As Im sure Ill say ad nauseum: you can sell 'em and love 'em at the same time :)
    I dont think this car is REALLY for sale....hence the price....which I still think is cheap at $1m compared to a NART Spyder of which 4 were made, at $4m. But I was ASKED to sell it, and I said WHY, but he said TRY.....
    One must also remember that commentators dont know half the story half the time :)
    Final comment: this car deserves a real enthusiast long-term home...the current owner is well-qualified.
    Joe
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  24. Michael RPM

    Michael RPM Formula Junior

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    I can imagine many of us will look back a few years from now and say "I could have picked up the zinc miura for a million dollars!" in the same way the tifosi say, "Remeber when you could get a 250GTO for a million dollars!". Of course this Miura does not have any racing heritage, but it is one of ONE! If I had an extra million around, I would already be driving it. A few have stated that this car did not sell for a lot when at auction a few years ago, but they need to look at what Miura values have done in the last 6-12 months. IMHO, at 1M, this very special car will likely be sold soon.
     
  25. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    I remember when the Ferarri Daytona was $150k, and the Miura was $125k some 8 yerars ago (approximate average numbers for both). I remember a Ferrari old-parts dealer (guess who?) chastizing me about thinking that both cars should be equal values...he said: "You know the Daytona has RACING heritage and raced at LeMans, Sebring etc...the Miura will NEVER be as important or valuable!" Well, a fat lot of good racing heritage did for Daytona values. Today a comparable restored Daytona is $250k, and the Miura is $650k...................Todays collectors just dont neccesarily care about racing and all that. If it is a benchmarlk car, it has value in their minds. Cash value! $$$.
    The Miura Roadster is cheap. Especially if it is a genuine one-off and a one-of-four 275 GTB/4 NART Spyder brought almost $4 mill! Owners of special Lamborghinis are DARING to ask: Why should my rare, fully-restored Miura SV be worth any less than a similar-conditioned not-so-rare Ferrari 275 GTB/4 that goes for $900K? Yes, Im asking......why? Lets not be hypocrites: ANYONE who owns a Lamborghini of any kind on this site would like to see it appreciate (yes, and that includes ye of little faith, naysayers & pessimists too;-). I wont be the only one in years to come saying: "Remember when I could have traded in a 275 GTB/4 for the Roadster...?"

    Joe Sackey
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