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Rotor Wear Rate on Full Size Range Rover

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  1. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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    Any comments helpful...

    Bought an '06 Full Size RR SC last July. Had 28K miles on it at that time. Asked dealer how much wear left on the rotors. Told (and I have it in email) 50% left, should be good for another 20-30K miles.

    Was in for service at the end of September. Told about the same (20-25K).

    Had it in this week. I've put less than 7K miles on it since purchase and less than 4K miles since the September services, and I'm now told I need new rotors.

    This seems like a VERY atypical wear rate. I drive mainly highway miles. No stop and go. Mountains in CO, mainly, but pretty much main route (I70). I accept that the driver's "style" may affect wear rate. But, I'm VERY sympathetic to my equipment. Former GrandAm driver, so I know what I'm doing.

    Anyone else have any wear patterns even close? Essentially, they're saying 15K +/- for per rotor. If so, what conditions?

    Thanks,

    CW
     
  2. drjohngober

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    The fun has just begun. Google differential failure and range rover. Your next website will be ebay.
     
  3. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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    Well, IF that's the case, I'm covered for 3 years under CPO and extended warranty, but I get your drift.

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  4. Indy430

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    "A front differential would normally be expected to last the life of the vehicle, but on the new Range Rover introduced in 2002 it was a major failure item. The problem lay in the design of the front driveshaft, which had no flexible coupling at the front end, so any minor misalignment put severe stress on the front diff input splines, leading to failure and immobilization of the vehicle. In 2006 the problem was solved (by a redesigned front drive shaft/prop shaft) on the updated model introduced in that year, but the 2002-2005 models were left unchanged. Until early 2008 there was still no safety recall or redesign of the components involved, although more than one service bulletin had been produced on the subject and temporary fixes in the form of realignment of the front diff/driveshaft connection were implemented."

    His 2006 model should not be affected by the bad diff problem. I have a 99 4.6 HSE full size, and a 06 LR3. Pads and rotors seem to last me about 40,000 miles before needing to be replaced on the 4.6 HSE. The wife's LR3 only has 33,000 miles and is not ready for brakes yet, but its close. I have and always will be a big Land Rover fan. I have not had any big problems with one yet. Do they require more routine maintenance? YES... The biggest problems with Rovers stem from owners not doing maintenance. They drive them way past service intervels until something breaks and then complain about it. Had they done what was required when it was required, there most likely would have not been a big problem. One thing with Rovers is changing the diffs, transmission, and transfer case fluids every 30,000 miles. Oil is cheap, parts are not.
     
  5. msdesignltd

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    #5 msdesignltd, Mar 19, 2010
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    PLEASE do not compare BMW powered RR to Jag powered RR..

    The quality level made a jump to light speed when Ford took over the Reigns..

    Car is not perfect but design is way ahead of anything comparable.

    BTW, everytime I ever took one of my past 2 RR SC full sized in for service they always told me same thing replace pads and cut rotors... Like mercedes or anyone elses service Dept. does as well.
    Best bet is rub your fingers across rotors and evaluate grooves or ask to see pads when the have inspection..This is such an over prescribed Sheite!

    They think you are a layman and will listen to their crapola..
    For safety sake do not get caught owning a RR out of Warranty, as all repairs are steep.
    That said I have put 100k miles on between 2 RR SC, and not one problem or unscheduled service, although I have heard of Horror stories.
     
  6. CornersWell

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    When I first started doing my due dili on RRs, I learned that the '06 and newer models had a re-designed diff. As pointed out, the pre-'06 models were problematic. That's why I specifically purchased an '06.

    I agree that out of warranty, like most vehicles, they're too expensive to own in the event something serious goes wrong. Even the small things are pricey to have repaired. I'm covered for another 2.75 years under the CPO and extended full factory warranty. As the expiration date approaches, I'll start looking for 3rd party extended (if I keep the RR).

    But, I'm not surprised to hear that RR dealers find things that need to be done on them. They make their $ through service revenues. That said, they have told me the rotors are "below spec". Regardless, I will shortly have my cryo'd rotors and can have them installed as soon as necessary.

    CW
     
  7. drjohngober

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    #7 drjohngober, Mar 19, 2010
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    Apparently JD Powers and US News do not agree with an improvement in RR reliability giving the 2010 RR a reliability score of 5 out of 10. Ouch...



    http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Land-Rover_Range-Rover/Reliability/


    The warranty does not help you help you while broken down on the highway- it might help out financially afterwards but not from a safety and convenience point of view while sitting on the side of the highway waiting on a tow truck. And when you try to go trade it in, the dealer will not even give you blue book.
     
  8. CornersWell

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    True enough. On both issues.

    But, I'm certainly not buying a Toyota!

    CW
     
  9. Aedo

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    You had a bad experience - we know! You post the same complaint in every RR/LR thread! IMHO you should really let it go - holding onto such a grudge can't be good for you :(
     
  10. drjohngober

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    Nope. Just doing my duty to educate the uninformed, but thanks for following .
     
  11. Carnut

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    Big RR are hard on brakes and rotors, I get about 10k on pads.
     
  12. CornersWell

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    Any guess on the rotor wear?

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  13. drjohngober

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    If it won't start, or breaks down on highway, rotors will not be needed.
     
  14. CornersWell

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    True, but don't be silly. So far, I've had no major issues. A few small ones, but they were addressed. Certainly nothing that left me stranded on the side of the road.

    CW
     
  15. Carnut

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    Figure about 20k if you drive hard

     
  16. CornersWell

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    Well, since I don't know the actual mileage on the rotors when I purchased the car, I can only guesstimate that I got about 12-14K out of them.

    But, we're starting with a completely fresh set. Drop shipped to www.300below.com (no affiliation). I've used them before, but I really don't have that much mileage on the rotors I had treated, so I can't give any feedback on their claims.

    Price, btw, is $1.75/lb.

    CW
     
  17. henryr

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    glad i came across this thread. been looking at 2004-2006 rovers. service shop said get a 2006 for what its worth. wasn't aware of the front diff problem.
     
  18. Indy430

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    I am sorry you had a bad experience with one, that sucks. I think some are good and some are just bad. Luckily, I must have got two good ones. My 99 4.6 HSE just turned 107,000 miles and has NEVER once broken down or left me stranded, knock on wood. It has started every single time I turned the key. Has it had some annoying problems, sure, but it has been a great truck overall, and there is nothing else like them. The wife's 06 LR3 now has 34,000 miles and has NEVER once had any problems other than expected wear items, (tires, brakes, etc...). Just routine maintenance, which by the way is free. 4 year 50K miles free service is nice. The LR3 obviously goes to the dealer since its free, and the 99 4.6 HSE goes to a local independent shop. The cost of ownership is OK when it is not going to the dealer for every little thing. The thing I love about these trucks is their ability to do just about ANYTHING you want. You never see a BMW or Mercedes doing these things in the video below, because they just cant.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_v_1hu-Fuo
     
  19. henryr

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  20. drjohngober

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    I know, alert the media, but I do like the RR Sports. They see, to be a lot more reliable. My son has started driving and I am considering a 2007 Sport for him. If you research info on the both models, the Sports have a significantly higher owner reported reliability score.
     
  21. Indy430

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    #21 Indy430, Mar 25, 2010
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    The G500 is the only SUV I would buy other than a Rover for going off the road. They are indeed tanks. I had a ML55 AMG, ML320, but never bought the G. But, after having 3 different MB's in the last 10 years.... they cost way more than my Rovers have in the service department. (I have stacks of service records to prove it) But, like Rover, there is something about that G.... Might have to try one out.
     
  22. ferraripete

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    i will attest to this. what i learned from my ownership...never keep beyond the warranty period.

    the rr was more expensive to maintain than both of my ferraris...

    ...combined!!!!
     
  23. Carnut

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    My RR has been pretty good, it is a 06 with every option they had in 06 on it, My twins love the movies in back, the seats are the still the BMW seats (they changed in 07 I'm told), so they are really comfortable. I have a place for the dogs behind the seats, and a set of Nokian tires for winter (which is usually when it is driven) I only have 23k on it looks almost new, and I will run it until it no longer makes sense to keep it. It does everything a SUV needs to do, I see no reason to not hold on to it. I must admit I found the dealers have the worst service, everytime they worked on the car they broke something else, so after the first year, I let my shop do everything, yes I had to pay, but I'd rather have things done right.
     
  24. Merc63

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    Good to know about the '03-05 versions. I have an '01 4.6HSE that has been completely reliable. We drive it all over the east coast, from down to Virginia Beach up to the White Mountans of NH. Often towing the travel trailer. I'm thinking that when I do replace it, it'll be with a Sport.

    I got about 30k out of the last set of pads on my Rangie. Rotors look and feel fine, so I put on Akebono Euro ceramics. Work better the warmer they get, and they don't blacken the front wheels. I've had a set on my BMW for a couple years and they are outstanding brake pads.
     
  25. Oengus

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    I have an 04 RR with 86k miles on it
    I replaced the rotors at about 70k miles
    All highway driving.

    No problems in 86k miles other than needing a new radiator.
     

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