Rousch Racing Premier 1A crash at Oshkosh . . .

WOW! 60 tons a minute!

 

Kind of like the Space Shuttle!

 

I can VERY easilly see you employing a full time avionics guy and a full time maintenance guy to keep the thing maintained. I can also see an airplane of this type deteriorating REALLY quickly if it's not flown

Thanks for the ball park on costs, I was pulling numbers out of my ass (I work on DC-3 not jets of any type ) and that was quite revealing!

 

A friend was considering buying a Russian fighter. He was an ex Navy fighter pilot so basic skill was not a problem. He said the Russians were very happy to give you very cheap dual time, in fact they would do it for the cost of fuel just to be able to keep one of their many grounded pilots current. Parts, including overhauled exchange engines were cheap by American standards. The expense that killed the deal for him was the expenses and paperwork ($$$$$$$) involved on this end.

 

Terry, that should read 120,000 lbs per hour, not minute. Those engines consume fuel at the rate of just under 2 lb/(lbf-h) each on full afterburner.

 

I think thats fairly accurate... i know the F-16 does about 50,000 per hour in some conditions since it has afterburners and the Boeing 717 that i fly does about 14000 lbs per hour at takeoff.

 

You beat me to it. Here is two of 'em...
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prob lucky he hit there ,instead of gaining speed and crashing real bad,glad their ok,but mr. roush please don't fly your P-51/as there arn't many left

 

WOW!!!! Unbelievable both survived. I wonder if he now fears flying himself around...

 

There's a place out in Reno where ex-Navy fighter pilots will teach you on their planes. They have an Su-27 I believe (not one of the two brought in by the Illinois place). They offer a service where you can bring your own jet and store it there and they teach you in it (typically L39). Seems possible. Maybe you can go supersonic there as well...

 

I still don't know what the heck happened here. Mention of a go-around and other stuff. How do you get so out of shape?

 

"My" DC-4 does 100 lbs/hour on takeoff

 

Got it, thanks. Sounds like an unstabile approach and too many hands and feet kicking in at the wrong time. I'm not a high timer but i would imagine that an aircraft like the Premier would prefer a nice straight in approach and a straight out go-around. I cannot imagine kicking one around at low speed like an ultra light or a light plane.
Again, I am not an expert in this area of flight.

 

What idiots posting comments.

 

Sounds like Roush got a little behind of the thing. Lucky day for him and unlucky day for him. Hope his hopital stay is short. He usually shows up at the Reno Races and crews for Jimmy Leward.

 

Agreed, moreover, flying into OSH and doing low speed manuevers with a Premier is something that nobody does a lot of. At more normal speeds he just would have pulled to line himself up, but at OSH they want you slow in the pattern to mix it up with with a lot of low speed traffic and he just made a mistake in that he wasn't used to doing what for that airplane must have been slow flight... They really need to rethink how they handle the different traffic speeds there and give the faster aircraft a wider pattern and the ability to keep their speed up a bit more...

Best wishes for a speedy recovery....

 

Okay, I have to adjust my observation of this incident. I was unaware of the requirements of reducing speeds of ALL the incoming traffic and I can see where Rousch could have been trapped.

 

If they didn't allow him to maintain speed to avoid stalling, I'd say it was OSH's fault.

 

Absolutely wrong. It's always the PIC's responsibility to maintain control of the aircraft.

It sounds like he was doing S-turns to increase the spacing, and got too slow and low. However, again, it is ALWAYS the PIC's responsibility to maintain control of the aircraft and a safe airspeed. If he couldn't do that, he should have gone around (and at the end, I think that's what he was trying to do).

 

I've been looking at Diamond DA40s and came across these airbags. With a modern jet like that you would think he had these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXy4ZTZmIZc

Looks like this would save the face and mabe a life. On another note, did you see that guy running? Where did he come from? I'll have to see if Austin will come out with the X-Plane JR crash simulation landing game. He did this for Sulley, but the airline lawyers made him take it down www.x-plane.com. Austin is there, so if you are at Oshkosh, stop by Laminar research and say hello as he is an Fchater and Ferrari owner.

 

DonV is absolutey correct, it is the pilots responsbility to fly the aircraft and maintain speed. I was just noting that it is a chanllenging environment, it isn't as simple as it sounds. There is slow traffic and if you are faster you have to not overrun the guy ahead of you. I was just trying to explain what happened and part of why. Everybody there is nose and tail entering the pattern and it's very tight. I don't mean to excuse Jack or put any blame on the controllers, but it's a busy pace and having done it a couple of times (in earlier years when it wasn't nearly as busy as it is now) I can see where these things can happen if you make a mistake. All I was trying to say is that I doubt that anybody does a lot practice doing slow flight in a biz jet and that is probably part of it.