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  1. Threeofnine

    Threeofnine Formula Junior

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    I discovered my previous mechanic filled my Testarossa’s gearbox with redline MT90 75/90 gear oil. While browsing some previous threads I discovered that this gear oil is not recommended for the TR so I’m going to change it asap.

    It seems that Redline 75/90NS is the oil of choice. However, I have a ton of Royal Purple 75/90 gearmax oil sitting in my garage. Does Royal Purple work pretty well or should I probably place an order for Redline?
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

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    I've used the Royal Purple Max Gear 75W90 in the past with OK results although I eventually went to Ravenol VSG (gold) full-synthetic 75W-90. If you've already got the Royal Purple, it seems reasonable to try IMO. All transaxles have slightly different behavior so one size doesn't fit all, and it isn't too difficult to change again. (I had a bad result with the Redline 75W90 NS having terrible LSD clutch chatter on slow turns that didn't get any better after adding Redline's friction modifier).
     
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  3. DWR46

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    Steve: We have had the same problem with the Redline products. We went to another oil and the problems IMMEDIATELY disappeared.
     
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  4. Steve Magnusson

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    I wasn't surprised when I had the LSD chatter with the straight Redline 75W90 NS installed, but it did surprise me that adding their recommended amount of their friction modifier seemed to make no difference at all (it just stayed equally bad). Did you also find that the Redline friction modifier had no effect?
     
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  5. DWR46

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    Steve: We had the EXACT same problem. At first, we immediately encountered the chatter, then we followed Redlines instructions about quantities of friction modifier, but with no improvement, then we added additional friction modifier and it still chattered. Mobil 1 plus a tube of generic LSD additive worked perfectly, great shifting and totally quiet LSD.
     
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  6. Threeofnine

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    This may be a dumb question, but does chatter mean you’re putting stress on the differential and/or causing excess wear/damage?
     
  7. Steve Magnusson

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    I would say "no, nothing significant", but it's just so darn annoying/distracting/unacceptable.
     
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  8. DWR46

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    Jarrod: Clutch-type limited-slip differentials have a series of clutch plates lined with friction material the lock together when one wheel spins more that the other one. These "clutches" have to allow some slippage when the car turns a corner and the rear wheels turn at different speeds. LSD gear oils have additives (used to be sperm whale oil) the provides lubrication to allow this slippage, but still enough "grip" to lock up the clutch under wheelspin. If the plates cannot slide past each other (slip) at low speeds, they grab and release in a "chattering" sequence. The driver feels this as it causes the rear tires to not turn smoothly through the corner. This is not desirable, but generally is not a major reliability issue. However, it does not help LSD life.
     
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  9. Threeofnine

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    Thanks for the replies. Are the drain plugs not 41mm? I have a 41mm socket but it appears just a little too small.
     
  10. Steve Magnusson

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    42mm, but a 1.625" 12-point socket worked for me (but it was "tight").
     
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  11. EDoug

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    Redline 75W90 NS for my '86 Testarossa, but with the use of GM "Limited Slip Axle Lubricant Additive" worked fine to eliminate the chatter. I use a 1-5/8 inch 12-point socket as well. EDoug
     
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  12. Rifledriver

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    There is no magic bullet oil for them. Different cars respond differently so I'd say ty it.

    I will say I used RP at a clients request once and it was the only time in my experience that a client came back in a week and asked me to drian it out.
    He said it destroyed his shift quality.
     
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  13. Threeofnine

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    The best way to fill the gearbox is to add gear oil in the filler plug at the back of the gearbox until oil is level with the bottom of the plug. Then add additional gear oil to the filler plug located on the clutch bell cover until a small amount of oil begins to run out of the filler plug at the back of the gearbox. Is this accurate?
     
  14. Steve Magnusson

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    That's fine, or you can do it in the other order -- put the first quart into the transfer gear fill plug and then fill the main reservoir up to the bottom of the main fill plug hole (by the time you get the main reservoir filled, any excess that was put into the transfer gears will have had time to overflow into the main reservoir. With your method, when you start to get some running out of the main fill plug hole, it will drip for a long time and you'll waste some oil.
     
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  15. Threeofnine

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    Thanks! I'll do it this way.
     
  16. boxerman

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    What oil is recommended for these boxes. I used redlline(shifted great) and got chatter, will replace this week.
     
  17. Rifledriver

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    #17 Rifledriver, Sep 11, 2023
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    In my personal experience limited slip additive can take 200 or more miles to get rid of chatter. Put enough in for 18 pints and be patient.

    In my case a little chatter does not bother me. I had a Buick Grand National that chattered so bad it would spill the drink in the cup holder and people stopped and stared. A little LSD additive fixed it.
    Just dont expect it to be gone when you are backing back out of the shop.
     
  18. Ferrari Tech

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    I had a 430 Ediff in the shop that the client and I both thought had a failure. The chatter was really bad but inconsistent. I pulled the diff and found the clutch plates were totally dry. As I pulled the first floater plate, I could see oil starting to ooze across the friction material. I hand lubed the plates and discs and put it back together. No more issues. I suspect the car had been sitting for a very long time. I use Mobil 1 75/90 with the LS modifier already in it. Haven't had any issues.
     

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