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RP Lab Diagnostics for F40?

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by Philipp, Nov 8, 2011.

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  1. Philipp

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    I am looking for a tool to occasionally scan F40 ECU diagnostic codes and retrieve sensor readings. There are many generic tools available on the market, but I found rare available for F40. Ones that do are mostly workshop class tools, making them not cost effective for my non professional use.

    I was wondering if anyone has used RP Lab software diagnostic tool for F40... I have seen their software for Lancia Delta Integrale (a friend of mine got it last year), it was basically doing what they say without much hassle (or fancy graphics, for that matter :) ). But I have no idea how good they got the F40 covered, and how it compares to other tools available on the market in the similar price segment. This is the list of functions it has:

    * a) Parameters (scan and record)
    o RPM (crank sensor),
    o intake manifold pressure (MAP),
    o throttle position (TPS),
    o CO trim pot position,
    o coolant temperature (CTS),
    o air temperature (ATS),
    o battery voltage (ECU pin 20),
    o injector pulsewidth,
    o injection timing,
    o ignition advance,
    o error code numbers.

    * b) Error and status codes (scan and record)
    o Crank trigger resistance,
    o crank - distributor trigger signal panel,
    o camshaft trigger resistance,
    o camshaft trigger signal,
    o manifold pressure sensor (MAP),
    o throttle position sensor (TPS),
    o air temperature sensor (ATS),
    o coolant temperature sensor (CTS),
    o knock sensor (where available),
    o lambda sensor (where available),
    o engine load state,
    o signal panel sequence detection state,
    o diagnostic mode.

    * c) Actuator tests (active tests, while engine is not running)
    o Fuel pump,
    o injectors (1-4 in bank) individually,
    o ignition circuit 1,
    o ignition circuit 2,
    o boost valve,
    o aux device on pin 12.

    Here's the link: http://rp-lab.com/iaw_monitor.shtml

    Looking forward to any opinions / comments about this or any other F40 compatible tool.

    Regards,
    Phil
     
  2. PAUL. S

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    #2 PAUL. S, Nov 9, 2011
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    There is a lot of onboard monitoring equipment available in the uk for the IAW system as its used in the Ford Cosworth range of cars here, from the basic L1 ecu right up to the P8.

    I am sure it would also be suitable for the F40 Marelli system.

    A few good companies that know the IAW inside out are below and I am sure they can help

    http://www.motorsport-developments.co.uk/ ask for Stuart who owns the company and deals direct with rp labs as well

    http://www.icheshire.co.uk/profile/67692/Congleton/Collins-Performance-Engineering-Ltd/ these supply their own suitable equipment for IAW

    The other chap is Tony Mannock of turbosystems, he has scaled down his operation but know his stuff, he can be found under his name on www.passionford.com
     
  3. kverges

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    While I can't be of any help, I would sure be grateful if you woudl report what you learn as I would like to have the same diagonstic capability - also interesting to see if you can change the maps at all, as that would be great fun with some race fuel on board.
     
  4. TimF40

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    I looked into them for the same thing almost 2 years ago. Couldn't quite pull the trigger. They seemed to have the product but doing a wire transfer to Kosovë before getting the product (downloading the s/w) didn't quite work for me. Do they have a trial version now?

    They are still in business so they have that going for them, but...

    Please let us know what you decide. If it works for you, I'd probably follow.

    I don't need it to tinker, only to satisfy my engineering curiosity. Rifledriver gets to do the heavy lifting on my F40.

    Thx! - Tim
     
  5. 335s

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    dual trace analog o-scopes and an 8x series fluke with inductive pickups-same for the scopes-will yield all useful info required for this steed...
     
  6. PAUL. S

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  7. Philipp

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    Thanks for all the useful replies!

    @TimF40: I personally have no concerns wiring money to RP Lab (well, at least I know one person who got the stuff from them, and saw the software running), but I got your point. No idea about the trial version, though.

    @PAUL. S: Great links and info, thanks. Do you know whether F40 could be diagnosed with Ford Cosworth or Fiat/Lancia workshop tester? That would be an attractive alternative. Seems like MSD is offering only Cosworth line of RP Lab IAW Monitor products. On a side note - it looks exactly the same as IAW Monitor for Integrale, which however does not imply that there are no differences in the communication protocol.

    @335s: I am sure you are right about scopes and flukes, but tapping into wiring loom, doing ohm or voltage to temperature conversions etc is not really what I am good at. I might do more harm than good that way. Since diagnostic ports are already on board, I would prefer to get some info in the lazy-man manner.

    Mid of December I will spend a week in Greece and Macedonia, so I might actually have a chance to visit RP Lab. I've just sent them an email, so I'll keep you posted.

    Regards,
    Phil
     
  8. PAUL. S

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    Although motorsport developments specialise in the cosworth range they also do a lot of work on the ecu of many other marques. If you give them a ring or email they are very helpful and will answer any questions you have and they sell worldwide.

    Only issue I can see is that the f40 runs two ecu, one for each bank of 4 cylinders, so at a pure guess you may require a monitor for each ecu to get a full picture
     
  9. Turbo360

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    There is scan equipment out there just need to network with the right people get get the proper info down.
     
  10. Turbo360

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    Comes down to getting an ECU off the EURO spec and USA spec cars, basically getting someone to cut up a whole harness and dissecting the ECU someone crack open the 2 ECU's and pull the codes out.


    can any one post a pic of the plug in for the scan tool ?
     
  11. Philipp

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    I've send an email to MSD this morning. Looking forward to their reply.

    RP Labs has answered in the meantime. They confirmed their "IAW Monitor" is compatible with both EURO and US spec F40, and attached some screenshots. Apart from software, 2 communication leads are included (USB or now quite rare RS232). No trial version is available, they say it wouldn't work without the leads anyway. They gladly accepted to make a live demo for me, should I manage to visit them. They, cannot, however, organize an F40, but they offered the following:
    1) a demo on an engine emulator, using two F40 ECUs.
    2) a demo on a delta integrale, running with F40 remapped chip.
    3) I bring a car for a live demo.

    Well, I guess 1) or 2) will be sufficient to persuade me :). If it works, I'll use the opportunity to purchase it there.

    There are two identical diagnostic plugs, each has 3 contacts. I'll take a photo and post it.

    Phil
     
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  13. Turbo360

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    Wasn't the magneti ignition system off a previous Formula car ?
     
  14. evoderby

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    Why not also specify RP lab's ALS bang bang functionality.....;-)
     
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  16. TimF40

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    Phil,

    Did you ever go with one of the solutions?

    Tim
     

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