Rubens kicked out at Brawn?

HAHA, you're right Alonso isn't as extreme as the other two ON THE TRACK, he is extreme OFF THE TRACK. He preferred to black mail his bosses rather than to run Hammy off the road.

 

Adding to my previous post, sorry for not editing.

The fact is Alonso is more extreme than the rest because of what he did.

When you are driving, you act without really thinking, the blood boils and there is no controlling that.

When you are off the track, you have a lot more time to think (relatively) and thus you can potentially plot a more diabolical scheme when you keep reflecting about what angers you.

Trust me I know.

 

You guys can't create this lineage without taking it all the way back. Let's make this interesting and see what folks come up with! Here's mine:

Alonso<---Schumacher<---Senna/Mansell<---Villeneuve/Depailler<---Stewart/Everyone

 

I blame the ancient Romans.

 

Having watched Ben Hur, I think your right

 

Farina & Ascari?

 

no.
Not DePalma nor Nazzaro neither.

 

Well how about
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Not Romans Steve.
Still in a post-election haze are we?

 

How about this? (surely not!)
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LOL

 

Thats the new look FIA init.

 

Wow, I am stunned at how people in this thread are actually ripping RB for not wanting to slide over intentially and give a win to Schumy when the ultimate goal of racing a car is to................um, win.

I am pissed off 'til this very day that Ferrari made RB move over for a slower Schumi at Austria and then an embarrassed Schumi pulled up onto the top step because he knew that he didn't win that day.

You guys crack me up. RB has waxed Button's arse pretty much the entire second half of the season, yet he is a whiner for earlier in the year feeling slighted when his freaking car wouldn't get off the grid THREE times!!! Let me guess, you are going to tell me that RB doesn't know how to release his finger off of a ****ing button to start the race after he has more F1 starts than anyone in history.

I don't care who Ross wants, RB will have a ride yet again next year because SOMEONE who is actually IN Formula 1 (not a bunch of nutjobs like all of us here on Fchat) thinks he is deserving of a ride. I hope he waxes Button's arse again next year.

MB

 

pretty stupid considering Rubens was in the hunt himself.

 

Agree, a sad day.

Hmmm, I know I have not watched many races for years but from what I read RB got beaten from pole by the likes of Webber, etc. and others and continued to moan to the team that he was not getting fair and even treatment when it is plain to see (for years) that RB is simply not fast enough when it matters (Austria excepted, that was a great drive by RB. His best).

RB did not wax JB in the second half of the season, JB had a stress out and could not drive a car ...
Pete

 

Rubens knew what the deal was when it came to Schuey since 2000 when he signed for Ferrari.

Everybody knew it was Schuey's team and any team mate would be a bit part player only.

If he got it into his head that he'd be allowed to beat Schuey then he was deluding himself and should have got out of the team (strangely though he stayed for another 3 years!).

As for what Ferrari did in Austria, think back to 1999 when schuey broke his leg at Silverstone. Had something similar happened in the 2002 season later on, and Schuey won the championship by a single point while not being able to race, you'd all be praising the decision!.

points in the bag are always better than points you might get later in the season.

How come I don't read as much outcry about this incident from the 1998 Australian Grand Prix? (from: http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ft00307.html ) :

8: When David Coulthard moved over and let Mika Hakkinen take the lead in the closing laps of the Australian Grand Prix we discovered that McLaren was a number one driver and that Hakkinen was being backed in the title race. There was nothing wrong with this - despite the rather silly comments made later by Melbourne's Ron Walker and the idiotic response of the FIA a few days later, declaring that team orders were illegal. This went against a long-established tradition in motor sport and made no sense at all. Later in the year the governing body was forced to accept that team orders are acceptable.

The decision to support Hakkinen to the title was most significant because of the pace shown by the silver cars in Melbourne, where they ran away from the field at a rate of three seconds per lap. Initially Hakkinen had been ahead but a communication problem between the engineers and Hakkinen resulted in a unnecessary visit to the pits. The Finn was waved through by the team but by then David Coulthard was in the lead. In the final laps of the race the McLaren pit radioed Coulthard and ordered him to move over and let Hakkinen through. David was not happy about it but put a brave face on it.

Coulthard himself has said many times since leaving McLaren that there were many occasions when he was told to let Hakkinen through to win a race that he could have won himself.

That was the first race of the season for crying out loud, but no one ever brings it up when it comes to team orders being right or wrong. Oh no!, it's always Austria 2000 and how Ferrari "ruined the sport!".

What Rubens needs to think about when he moans about his Ferrari years is where would his career have gone had they not signed him?. Not far I suspect. He would have been in a mid field car getting mediocre results and getting overlooked for a top drive. Before long he would have either lost interest in F1 or F1 would have lost interest in him.

As for challenging for the 2009 Drivers World Championship, I seriously doubt that he would ever been in any sort of contention were it not for his years at Ferrari, because Brawn (or any other team possibly) would not have hired him.

 

Team orders in F1 are "Don't ask, don't tell".

 

Would that be an "option 13" situation?

 

Not familiar with the reference.

 

There was a thread on pistonheads motorsport forum and a guy called Derek Smith, who apparently knows people working in F1, mentioned something about a channel 13 incident. He was a bit confussed in what he was writing and it was worked out he was referring to the old Benetton '94 traction control incident. Someone queried it so I posted the reply below:


"Option 13 was indeed a Benetton/Schu thing, being a buried option in a menu list on the '94 car. Benetton claimed it was a hangover program from the '93 season when traction control was allowed, that would have caused too many headaches with the system to remove.

The FIA found the option but could not prove that it had ever been used during the '94 season when traction control was banned. Due to the way the regulations had been written ( something along the lines of: Traction control is not permitted to be used on the cars instead of: traction control is not to be permitted to be fitted on the cars). As there was no rule saying traction control could not still be fitted to the car there was nothing the FIA could do.

It would appear that Derek is implying that a channel 13 (or option 13 as it should be called) has become some sort of inhouse F1 codeword for " everybody in the team knew about it and knew it was wrong but kept it to themselves".

This is the thread: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=42&t=760262&mid=167746&i=0&nmt=Massa%20-%20Alonso%20Knew%20about%20Piquet%20-%20Welcome%20to%20Ferrari&mid=167746 The channel 13 (option 13) part starts on page 3

If you read the Derek Smith posts on page 3 onwards it makes more sense. Hope that helps

I didn't get an answer from him though.

 

Next up; "No it didn't fit. We had to shove it in there."

 

Thanks. I remember the situation but never heard the phrase.

 

I was complete and utterly pissed off, so you should have heard an outcry from me if you had been anywhere near me.

Yes team orders are part of F1, but that was the first race of the season and made a joke of F1.
Pete

 

Even though he was racing for McLaren I was p****d off for Coulthard.

Tough s**t if Hakkinen miss heard his radio and went into the pits by mistake. Coulthard didn't make a mistake and deserved the win.

 

They could have handled it better. the phantom "vibrations" on DC's car, could have brought him in for a quick check.