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Discussion in 'North Central - USA (MI, IN, OH, KY, WV)' started by nthfinity, May 6, 2010.

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  1. nthfinity

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    #1 nthfinity, May 6, 2010
    http://www.rufauto.us/ruf/

    For north central lovers of all things Ruf, look no further than Southfield, MI... no longer having to send your car to DFW!


    RUF AUTO US
    21620 Melrose Avenue
    Southfield, MI 48075

    248.304.9091 phone
    248.304.9092 fax
    888.RUF.USA1 toll free USA

    Disclosure, I have no gain from this, and only just heard this today. I know there are more than a few Ruf owners in the regional forum here who will be happy to hear this.
     
  2. fpb

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    #2 fpb, May 6, 2010
    Seems like a really bad location. Porsche pulled out of the NAIAS because (at least partially) of low sales in MI.
     
  3. nthfinity

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    #3 nthfinity, May 6, 2010
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    It's no wonder that sales were low at the time considering what PAG had made dealers do... every dealer had the same set 911's, etc. in the same colors/options for sale at the same time.

    DFW lost their association with Ruf some time ago, and spent their time to find only the best, most reputable private shop in the country to help improve. When moving cars across all the lower 48 + Canada, what does the location have to do with it anyway?
     
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    #4 noone1, May 7, 2010
    Cool, but their cars aren't too competitive anymore considering what comes stock and the price of the upgrades.
     
  5. nthfinity

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    #5 nthfinity, May 7, 2010
    I take it you've never driven a Ruf RT12?... CTR/ CTR2/ BTR etc. ?
     
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    #6 MuttGrunt, May 9, 2010
    What do you know - right in our backyard.

    Hope folks take account that this is NOT a bad location: lots of parts supplies, easy access to Canada / shipping, more towards the middle of the country, and cheap land + lots of tax incentives from the state of Michigan.

    If I get a chance to stop by, maybe I'll take some pics :)
     
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    #7 noone1, May 10, 2010
    RT12 S upgrade for 85K euro? Rip-off. Porsche's can be tuned very easily and significantly cheaper.

    0 - 100 kph in 3,4 seconds
    0 - 200 kph in 9,8 seconds

    That's nothing to brag about these days. PDK isn't much slower than that in stock form.

    CTR2 is impressive, but it's also several hundred thousand euros. I've only seen photos of one actually being tested, and I'm not sure that they've ever even sold any.
     
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    #8 nthfinity, May 10, 2010
    I can assure you, the speed achieved by the RT12 I drove was MUCH faster than that. Of course, it depends on how much you want to spend... and this was in 2006... with the 40hz data logger to back up the data. Not only do you spend for accel, but the all-round package. The car handles better than any 911 GT3 RS even, yet is easy enough to drive to simply "point and shoot" toward the next corner... but watch out, because with the aggressive suspension comes some of the old woes of the 930's and 964's... lift off even a smidgen mid-corner, and the car rotates far faster than even a season practitioner would expect. While RT12's were advertised as 650 hp, the one I had the opertunity to observe up close and personally was 730 or so. It even pulled bus lengths on a CGT to 160 mph.

    I'm not sure if your familiar with the top tier level of tuning. But while as you say "any shop" can achieve 700 hp out of a Porsche Turbo, very few, if any offer a manufacturers warranty. There is a reason why the other 'big' Porsche tuners buy Alois Ruf's performance parts to make the Gembella, 9ff, etc. go properly fast. Yet, they just aren't as solid as what comes out of the Ruf factory.

    In my experience, what you say on paper is "right" but in application is quite far from it. Of course, the next wave of Ruf products to blow us away are right around the corner... incl. the V8 TT 911's.
     
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    #9 noone1, May 10, 2010
    Eh, for most widely used speed ranges, say 0-200 km/h, I don't think the RT12 has much to offer. It will pull really hard when you get to the absurd speeds, but how often does someone touch 160+ mph? Better suspension? Probably, but TT isn't a track car. You could always just get a new suspension set up if you wanted too.

    The cars are fast, but they are really expensive. Is there 85K euro worth of components? I don't think so. The RT12 is also the best model they have. The others are significantly less capable and still rather expensive.

    As for it's track performance though, I don't think it's that great. While I really hate ring comparisons, it's a track that has numbers for tons of cars. Supertest was 7:35. GT3 RS should best that, and the new GT2 RS will absolutely crush it, albeit at $250K. The new Turbo S should even beat or match that.

    I see the RT12 as 85K worth of straight line speed. If that's what you want, so be it, but that straight line speed can be had for way less.

    Maybe the car would offer more value if it didn't include all kinds of body work, wheels, and cosmetic stuff.
     
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    #10 nthfinity, May 10, 2010

    If Ruf were only making enhancements to the engine, then yes, 85k euros wouldn't be worth it. Also, if they weren't the best out there at delivering the 'whole package' you might be right as well. However, they are, and they do.

    That said, residual value isn't there for the non CTR cars, or early BTR cars. However, neither are most supercars. Look at what a F430 will pull on trade in, or even a 430 Scud 1 year on!
     
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    #11 noone1, May 11, 2010
    Well, I still think the 'whole package' is a way of overcharging you for stuff. I see those package deals as a way to get you to pay a lot more than necessary because you have to pay for cosmetic stuff like body kits, wheels, interiors etc.

    It's love it or hate it, I guess.
     

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