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Safety car thoughts - double file restarts?

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  1. Wolfgang5150

    Wolfgang5150 F1 Rookie

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    As always, improving the racing is a big topic in F1. We haven't seen the safety car yet, but when we do, I think it would be great to see a double file restart.
    Every restart I can remember gets the field incredibly strung out, and does nothing to improving the racing. How great would it be to see the field bunched up, jumbled after pit stops?
    Thoughts?
    Kevin
     
  2. VIZSLA

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    The safety car procedure is, with good reason, structured so as to minimize its effect on the race. This idea would seem to be counter to that intent.
     
  3. Tifosi15

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e287pHZNUcs[/ame]

    Probably be like this :D;)
     
  4. william

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    Indy drivers want restart rethink


    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90320


    Leading IndyCar drivers have called for a rethink of the new double-file restart rules after a string of early crashes in the season-opener in St Petersburg.
    The first race of the new system saw a massive first-corner crash involving Helio Castroneves, Marco Andretti, Mike Conway, Scott Dixon and Ryan Briscoe, and then further tangles after the ensuing restarts lead to four caution periods in the first 15 laps.
    Polesitter and second-place finisher Will Power reckoned IndyCar was not the right series to try double-file restarts in - and expects the trouble to continue.
    "The problem is, is they have so many cars bunched in such a tight space," he said. "There's zero room for error, and we can't bump like NASCAR.
    "I think this is just going to continue every race. There's going to be people getting knocked out every single restart. I think that's what it's going to be.
    "Maybe they should do it in single file but start late. Then you would see more passing. But as it is, there's no passing. It's just everyone in the road, and if you are going to get by someone, someone is going to get knocked out. That's what happens."
    Tony Kanaan admitted that he had benefited from the format as he came through to finish third on his debut for KV, but said he was still not a fan of the concept and reckons St Petersburg was actually one of the easier tracks for side-by-side restarting.
    "This is a place where you have a lot of room," he said. "Go to a tighter place, like Long Beach, and Toronto; think about it.
    "We need to make the show good. And I don't think it's good for the show to have the first 15 laps under the yellow. It's crazy.
    "So I'm not going to say yes or no, but we definitely need to reconsider. Personally, I agree with Will. I don't like it, and I think it's taking a lot of people out. If you're lucky, you make it, and if you're not, then you're done."
    Race winner Dario Franchitti felt that the leading drivers had coped well with the system, but that some midfielders needed to exercise more restraint.
    "You had some decent battles into Turn 1," he said. "So for the front row guys, I don't think it was such a problem.
    "I think you have to ask the guys further back in the pack what it was like and what the problem was, because there was obviously a problem.
    "Is the problem the double-file restart? Is it the late acceleration? Or, is it just people not paying attention? Not that they are not paying attention, but not respecting each other, just being crazy and going for gaps that aren't there. Which one is it; we have to figure that out. And then we can change it."
    He added: "I just think, as drivers, I think we have to take some of the blame there for what happened."
    The reigning champion underlined that the change to the restarts had been prompted by calls from the team owners.
    "The team owners, they wield a pretty big stick, and they said they wanted it," said Franchitti.
    "So there's probably a few of them sitting there scratching their heads now looking at bills for loads and loads of carbon fibre and going, 'Why didn't I ever think of that?'"
    But he believes the system can succeed with some tweaking.
    "There's going to be some combination of what we are trying to do that can work," he stressed.
    Simona de Silvestro progressed from 17th to seventh in the early chaos and then jumped from seventh to second in a single move at one of the restarts. Having gone on to finish a breakthrough fourth, the HVM driver said she was a fan of the rule.
    "I thought the double-file restarts were pretty fun because it actually gave us a chance to make positions," she said.
    "Last year, we would start single file every time, it would be hard. You would be just following the leader. I think it [the restarts] made it exciting and I really enjoyed it."
    And Newman/Haas' Oriol Servia suggested that the problem was not the restart system but the quirks of the St Petersburg track.
    "The two-wide restarts were not a problem for me," he said. "It's just that the two-wide restarts at this track are tricky because the inside line here is so dirty because this is an airport, there is paint, there is oil and that is why we had so many problems. It won't be the case at Barber."
     
  5. Wolfgang5150

    Wolfgang5150 F1 Rookie

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    I forgot that the irl was trying it; guess that answers my question!
     
  6. Scuderia P1

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    Just like NASCAR, YAHOOOOOOOOOOOO


    If by "improving racing" you mean "more crashes" then you're on to something...
     
  7. Wolfgang5150

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    Well that didn't take long! I knew the inevitable NASCAR comparison would come up.
    Not hoping for more crashes, but the start is the best part of the race. The cars are side by side, the most passing & dicing for position always happens (and a crash or two); that was the genesis for my thought on the double file restart.....
     
  8. Tifosi15

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    :( my smart comment didn't get any attention
     
  9. Isobel

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    I like the idea and agree with Simona and Oriol's comments after watching the Indycar St. Pete race.

    Some accidents would likely occur (ie;Monaco) and there'd be more than a few drive through penalties handed out for jumping.

    Not my problem though....;), I support anything that will short circuit the presumed finishing order.....

    Don't ever see it being accepted as per Viz's comment.
     
  10. LightGuy

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    I'd like to see a figure 8 race or two on the schedule.
     
  11. LightGuy

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    I feel your pain
     
  12. Tifosi15

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    Bah humbug ;)
     
  13. TifosiUSA

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    lol
     
  14. Peloton25

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    I think the biggest flaw with the pace car in F1 is not letting the backmarkers/lapped traffic through to get them out of the way. I'd like to see them do that before the lights go out.

    >8^)
    ER
     
  15. Remy Zero

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    Yeap. Luck and gamble ;)
     

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