Scaglietti Paint Chart...circa 1966

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M

 

Paul, No I do not believe there are any mistakes, you just have to follow the shift in the placement of the text. This is actually my photo, one of many that I took of this booklet, and I had shared the photo with some friends, and it has ended up as a reference posted by others onto the the web, but no problem, as it is a useful reference for all. The captions were added by others with photoshop, to match the color annotations printed on the back of each card. My recollection is that the color names/numbers were transcribed correctly to the photo when I saw the text added, as I provided the color list written directly and exactly off the back of the samples. Verde Medio is indeed the lighter metallic green; Verde Pino is the middle green. Verde Scuro is the very dark green, it is hard to photograph without looking almost black - it is really forest green. The light conditions were rudimentary, not great or balanced, when the photos were taken and a professional with the right daylight color temperature and the right professional lighting would capture the colors better than me. These are Glidden Salchi colors (Glidden Salchi is printed on the back cover of the booklet) used by Scaglietti for the 275 GTB. Some of them carry forward I think to the Daytona. Do not know if they are relative to some Lusso, depending on what paint brand/range Scaglietti was using then. Pininfarina used I believe a different line of paint and another color range. There is a common misunderstanding I think that you could order any color you wanted. Perhaps true in principle, you could order what you wished, but I would guess - and this is a speculative thought - that if you chose a color from this booklet for a Pininfarina-built 275GTS, then Pf would paint it in the nearest color out of their paint color offerings of different paint manufacture (I think Pf was using Italver brand in the mid to late 1960's) and say 'close enough'. For this reason it is best not to mix the color names from other eras, other paint manufacturers in period, or other coachbuilders in period, they differ and do not cross over as identical. Pininfarina built not only Ferrari bodies, but Lancias, Alfas, etc. They often used the same exact paint color on a Lancia as a Ferrari, same number code, but gave the same color a different name for each! Chris

 

I am in the process of deciding what to do in regards to single stage vs. base and color coat paint for a car built in 1967 with single color. The main issue is the trade off between originality and repairability of the single vs two step paints. It's a hard decision, trust me, not as clear cut as one would think when you are footing the bill and making the decision. I am doing everything i can to put the car to original condition and this is the one area where I am having trouble convincing myself what to do.

 

Paul, No worry about breach of copyright, the photo is out there and useful for others (as long as no one makes false claim or publishes it in print for money - that's different, then you have to ask - it is just a photo of a paint booklet after all. The tell-tale in any case is the one sample regretably cut in the past, but most of the color name and number remain on the uncut section of this sample. Regarding my comment about Pf using the same color for different marques, I looked up a few examples from notes. MM 16249 is a frequent Max Meyer color on Pf-built 250s, called 'Grigio Conchiglia'. Same paint code number on a Pf-built Lancia is 'Grigio Albany'. MM 16119 is called 'Rosso Rubino' by Pf for Ferrari; same MM code for a Lancia of the period is 'Rosso Jamaica'. As for the modern catalyzed paints, they seem to have come a long way over the years and polish out to near lacquer depth in exchange for superior stability, durability. The systems with clear coats alter the appearance a bit in comparison, and not sure how it looks when scratched or repaired. I probably could not tell the difference without side-by-side. Limited experience having a car painted and I'm no paint chemist or paint technician, just an observation. In the end the expertise of the painter probably makes all the difference, and no one wants their car to look like a resin bowling ball! And of course these days there are regulations to consider in the US.

 

This was a HUGE help

looking at a 4cam from 66 that seems to have the confusing paint number from Classique and this may clear the mistake up.

tks

Jeff

 

I have a Scaglietti leather swatch I can post photos of aswell

 

This was offered on ebay..big ask, unsold, no bids

Ferrari 250 Paint Samples Pininfarina GTE Salesman Dealer Brochure Original RARE | eBay

 

Scaglietti leather swatch photos
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This was recently on ebay , didn't sell

FERRARI 250 Paint Samples Pininfarina GTE Salesman Dealer Brochure Original RARE | eBay

 

So is the bright silver at the top "Argento Auteil" or is that the darker small sample in the center?

 

I dont know, hard to tell from that photo. I wish everybody who owned such things would put them up on F Chat, I dont think that would reduce the item's value and would be a great resource for the community.

 

What is your guess for the color - 2 right of the red (at 6 o'clock)
It is a Blu variation.

 

Blu Sera ?

 

Reply to Post 14, if you are referencing the photo at the start of this thread, the cut sample of darker gray is Grigio Ferro; the lighter silver is Argento Auteil. The arrow is not well placed. The order of the color names around the wheel is correct, just count from "Nero" (black) to follow as they can appear at a glance off one position to the samples the way whoever marked the photo placed the names at the corners of the colors. For example, Verde Medio is the light metallic green at 10:00, Verde Pino is the darker green immediately below it.

 

Post 16 - ebay colour chart.
My guess would be slightly darker than Sera, possibly Blu Scuro but I am not certain.

 

I hope I'm not breaking any forum rules here, but...
...I could use something like this from Daytona early production era ('69-'72 or so) or even individual slips of Blu Scuro & Oro Chiaro for visual verification of formulas I found.

I could to either buy a reasonably priced complete booklet or single slips or I'm willing to pay reasonable compensation along with any subsequent, secure (I have a FedEx account ?) shipping fees if I could just briefly "borrow" either aforementioned booklet or slips.

Please PM your terms if you have any available.

Thank you,
Timo
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