Schumacher 2010 insight and 2011 W02 testing

Ok so when Mclaren releases their own front exhaust which is speculated that they will it´s not going to be 100% completely different then what they used at the tests?

Do you know what updates the teams are bringing or are you just guessing here?
Do you know if Ferrari have developed something really inovative but chose to show it at Bahrain instead to keep other teams from running it in the first race or the ones after?

Mercedes will probably show up with parts that the other teams already tested on their cars during testing while Mercedes get to know their parts during FP1.

Besides, there´s no garantuee that even if the whole car is inovative you will be the fastest car on the grid. It´s the full package that really counts. You need the right formula to win the championship. The RB6 is a perfect example. That car is perfection really.

Even if Ferrari or Mercedes did a replica of the bodyshell it still wouldn´t be as good as Red Bulls.

Besides, 90% of the things you mentioned that will come to the W02 are pure speculation.
If you can find a quote from a person at Mercedes stating that these parts most definitely will be in the update then we can start to really discuss the matter.

 

Yes i know that, i made a thread here showcasing the wheelbase of all the cars and how they stack up next to each other.

The widest you mean the whole car including the tyres or just the monocoque? Cars cannot be wider then 1.8m so i´m guessing you mean the latter.

If you remember last year, Mercedes had a short car in the beginning. It failed to be competitive so they made a longer chassies. I´m hoping they don´t shoot themselves in the foot this time too.

I can´t see any benefits really with a car that short.

 

Whistling past the graveyard.

 

Ok but still only speculations. I don´t doubt Mercedes but i´ll believe it when i see it.

Making a chassie that short comes with drawbacks to. I don´t know how the turn-in can be better simply by having a shorter chassies, and if we are talking about turns like in Monaco, the cars with a longer wheelbase can just use more steering lock to get round just as effectively.

Downsides to a short chassies that i know of is through high-speed turns like Turn 8 at Istanbul for example.

Shorter car = less stable
Longer car = more stable

Yea i think that whatever Mercedes are saying we all know that the car is tailored to Schumi. Schumi likes shorter wheelbases and a very strong front end. It seems that he´s getting those boxes ticked to i´m eagerly waiting to see what he can do on track.

My fear is that Mercedes isn´t going to be fighting for wins though.

 

Problem is they don´t really know yet. You can analyse the times at the test how much you want but they will tell you zero basically.

The only real way to really figure out the performance compared to the competitors is in Quali and Race at Bahrain.

 

I get it that you love your Schu, but c'mon: That argument about RB and Ferrari too busy with last year's title fight and therefore too late to the table for this year is nonsense. That might have been true in the past when teams were actually busy testing and when teams had little money. But giants like these teams started developing their new cars in June (like everybody else) and kept at it since then. The title chase had little impact if any.

If you want to be concerned about car development, I'd rather wonder how big this year's budget for the new MB is. Remember how Haug and Brawn publicly stated last year that they run out of budget to continue the 2010 car?

McLaren might have a problem. Then again they might be fast, we simply don't know.

Williams/Sauber and Renault are midfield teams and won't be going for the title.

While I'm hoping for an Alonso WDC, I think it will be Vettel in the RB who will be the biggest contender. Not MB, not McLaren or anybody else. Just like last year.

 

Honestly there are too many variables still at this point. Due to the Bahrain situation, tomorrows test is the final one of the year!

 

Call me Debbie Downer.

 

Honestly, none of us have any idea who has pace and who doesn't. We won't know until quali 3, Bahrain. Mercedes is probably holding back updates and aero packages, etc. BUT so is everyone else!

For all we know, the Red Bull is a pig(doubt it). Ferrari produced a winner(doubt it, based on current management). Mclaren could be fast, could be slow(so radical, relatively speaking, we don't know). Mercedes produced a fast car(if it was competing against 2010 cars). ETC....


See you in Australia.

Alex

 

Make that Melbourne

 

Fixed for ya.

As I'm very sad to see an F1 race possibly being cancelled, I hope this ends racing in Bahrain permanently.

Alex

 

Totally agree but I see this only as a bump in the road: Bahrains rulers will remain in power and have the race back next year.

 

Don't you think they will try to move the race to a different time of the year? Surely they just wouldn't cancel it without trying to reschedule?

Alex

 

Unlikely. Few slots left and immense costs to stage it

 

I don't know, i have a hard time believing they will bring
a new all radical package for the first race..

Sure everyone will have major updates, but stillit's not like they are all new cars.

let's see how things goes at Barcelona testing, even if the weather was bad today,
i hope the sun will comeback for the testing, The Montmelo track is a real indicator.

 

Huh, oh well. Atleast there will be a smaller chance of a "follow the leader" type race at Melbourne. I still think of Australia as the first race anyways.

Alex

 

I think you might be right about that. Not to be sarcastic but MB had such problems in testing that they need a major upgrade. Based on what Nico said the current car is a lemon. So by getting a big upgrade they just might catch up to the rest.

Again not trying to rain on your parade but that's how I interpret the test sessions

 

Great point! Teams are not going to install their race-ready tricks in testing. That's like offering all their high dollar, in-house R&D, for free and all to see!

 

Why is everybody talking like Bahrain wont happen?

 

Because it is about to be canceled.

When you hear Bernie is thinking about it, you know it's almost over.