Interesting article: http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/automobil/schumi-mit-simulator-sorgen-3338002.html Basically states that MS didn't use the simulator much last year because he got sick in it. Whereas Nico used it often and prepared himself to find the ideal setup for each track. In contrast MS had to start his race weekends with a base setup and lost precious time getting towards the ideal setup. A while ago we had a thread on here about Merc trying to build a new simulator. Perhaps one that causes less "sea sickness"?
I remember when that was discussed; i was very surprised to hear that he got sick from the driving the simulator. I wonder if the new one is even capable of curing that problem... Kevin
My "Monday morning couch potato quarterback analysis" is that he gets sick from the bumping and jerking around a sim does. While a real race car does a similar thing, there it is actually coupled with real G forces. A sim has to emulate this by jerking and moving the body around, which is not quite the same as a "giant hand" pushing you one direction. I've been on centrifuges and experienced 3+ Gs and while unpleasant, they never made me feel sick. But put me in a Cessna in bumpy air and I loose my cookies in ten minutes flat. So if Merc wants to build a sim for MS that has more real Gs and less bumps, then I imagine it would be some giant machine. Maybe that's why they said it wouldn't be ready by the end of this year?
That's not surprising. My static, three panel sim messes about 30% of the folks that try it up. If they put on a helmet to restrict field of vision, it's a LOT better. Especially in a motion platform, any "disconnect' between the motion a driver sees and the motion they feel causes an inner ear imbalance that results in nausea. Instantly. A lot of it is programming for the inevitable delay between the motion control electrical impulse and the actuator response. The greater the mass of the platform, the worse it is. One of the reasons why Chris Considine's (CXC) stuff works so well. He's nailed it. Maybe they need to call him! <grin> I have two Cruden 6DOF platforms across the street from me at the track and they make me sick in a few laps. And I spend a LOT of time on sims...
Perhaps his brain just processes the visual data differently. Some epilectics cannot play certain video games without endangering an episode. Perhaps in a strange way this is an attribute in his normal world of driving.
Yeah Merc has a new sim. It's amazing. Really amazing. 3 things I EXPECT on the W02 are, pullrod rear suspension, fully incorporated Exhaust Blown Diffuser and a RB style nose(high and not the high/low of the W01). The pic below is of the new sim and another pic MB released. No, it's NOT actually MB02. Just a teaser Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Wonder what this simulator has that the Ferrari Sim all those years didn't? Or was the Ferrari Sim not that advanced because they could actually test back then? Alex
Very good point. Sims became really only important with the ban on testing which is exactly the time MS spent away from the sport
What you are describing is commonly reffered to as SAS ( Simulator Adaptive Syndrome ) i.e. Kinetosis, a condition typically encountered with simulators in general. Even though humans can eventually adapt to a virtual environment, 3 to 5 percent of the population will not adapt to simulation. I would imagine that the simulators utilized by F-1 teams are using the latest technology in visual and motion systems in " real time " 60Hz. Assuming you can maintain latency under 350 ms, platform mass should not be a factor. Onset cues and washout algorithms are a crucial element in motion based simulators. For those who drive your sim, keep their initial drives under 5 minutes , initially in as straight as a road course as possible. The use of a helmet or turning off the right and left monitor helps quite a bit in adaptation as you minimize vection. A link to one of our motion based sims http://youtu.be/KmhkqKfsUI8?hd=1
Man, I could just hug you I have to agree, driven many a Cruden and they make me very ill. I've never been ill in motion simulators before either. You'd think I'd be immune. I wish!! Talk about a dream job Seriously though, any F1 teams lurking around here, I'm available for consultation! He speaks da truth. That is exactly what happens and why. BTW, the sim is looking good! I'm really looking forward to seeing you again on the 29th and talking shop
Dramamine always worked for me for roller coasters and other rides at amusement parks. Wonder if he tried this when trying to solve the problem?
Everyone who goes on track has something to prove. No one can take his many, many accomplishments away from him but you put it on the line every time you race.
Too right. The momeny any racing driver hits the track without the intention of doing whatever he can to win, they are no longer a racing driver. Every racing driver has something to prove each and every time they are on the track. Schu used to constantly test what worked which is why I believe he could drive just about any car. No of course he cannot do that, so he sort of has an old school mentality in a digital world which is going to force him to grow and conform, or retire as the best of that era, or ever....which is course always up for debate.
Wow...i've never heard of anyone who can get sick by just getting in the simulator. Hope MS will adapt to the new one fast...
350ms! Wow! That seems awfully slow.... Easy analogy, that admittedly doesn't make you sick, but will piss you off is audio being 1/3 second out of sync with video - The brain "objects" 'cos its just not right! Chris - Why not send 'em an email an invite the Schu to try yours?..... [You could even offer to load him up in, say, the F2004 and get his feedback!.....] Cheers, Ian
Yeah, will do! I'll tell him "it worked for Lewis" [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKntP2V3djQ[/ame]
And the next question is: Why the FIA doesn't limit or ban the use of simulators? Just like testing days, and wind tunnels hours, similators are part of a team's overall budget, which the FIA is supposed to drive down!! It's no point limiting actual practice time on the track, if you allow a large increase in simulation.
Not to be too off-track here, but what did Lewis think of Ayrton's car when he drove it not long ago? Mclaren MP4. All I heard him say in the interview was he can't imagine the time it would take to be able to drive the car at the limit. Different school of thoughts comparing Lewis to where Ayston was coming from
