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  1. Kimi2007

    Kimi2007 Formula 3

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    Vasseur may not be the best choice, but Horner turned Ferrari down supposedly.

    Vasseur will at least have Leclerc's back, which alone is a huge upgrade from the smugness of Binotto's finger wagging in his star drivers face.
     
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  2. sp1der

    sp1der F1 Rookie

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    Binotto 7.5/8 for the season, more like 5/6 at best. Monaco, Spain, Baku all gone on strategy and reliability
     
  3. Kimi2007

    Kimi2007 Formula 3

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    Don't forget Hungary and Silverstone for Leclerc!

    Yeah, gonna so miss his traveling circus. :rolleyes:
     
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  4. classic308

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    allegedly Andreas Siedl turn it down also.

    We need engineers who can develop a car over the season and strategists who can overcome the deficits in the car. MB had a dominant car for years and therefore didn’t need strategies to win; RB had the second fastest car last year and were able to bring it on home due to strategy. Binotto excels at neither which is why he’s out.
     
  5. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    I get your point of course..
    My only fear is Elkann and Vigna.
     
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  6. Spet00

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    Just reading those names gave me the shivers. I don't trust nor like them, and I have negative amounts of faith in their vision for Ferrari.
     
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  7. sp1der

    sp1der F1 Rookie

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    Bring back Luca
     
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  8. intrepidcva11

    intrepidcva11 F1 Rookie
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    amen!
     
  9. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    That was wise, IMO.
    Siedl is German, and I don't think he could work with the particular atmosphere at Ferrari.
     
  10. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Why ?
     
  11. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/161427/ferrari-considers-veto-due-to-unfair-advantage-for-red-bull-powertrains.html?campname=highlighted-content&camplink=inarticle1

    'Ferrari considers veto due to unfair advantage for Red Bull Powertrains'
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    Ferrari, according to the Italian edition of Motorsport.com about to use its veto power. The Italian racing stable has had this tool in its pocket for years and is now said to be threatening to finally use it, to the detriment of Red Bull Racing.

    The engine regulations for 2026 are already in place and, with Mercedes, Red Bull Powertrains and Audi, there are also three major brands that have already committed to the new era. Renault is about to sign, Porsche and Honda are still considering their options, but at Ferrari, however, they do not want to sign.

    Ferrari issues ultimatum
    According to the Italian medium, Ferrari would have already settled on the simplified engines from 2026 to give new engine suppliers a chance in F1, but Ferrari is now drawing a line. New suppliers will get more budget to develop the engine in the early years and also more time to test the engine. A logical solution for Audi, but for Red Bull Powertrains it is an unfair advantage, according to Ferrari.

    Red Bull Powertrains counts as a new entry and can count on the benefits of a new entry, but Ferrari does not agree. For instance, Red Bull would already have knowledge of the current generation of engines in its partnership with Honda, and benefits from all the knowledge it has brought in with the recruitment of frontrunners from the Mercedes engine project.

    Ferrari would therefore refuse to sign on to the new engine deal, giving F1 an ultimatum. It would even consider using the veto power it has had for years as a historic team in F1. Whether this will actually come about remains to be seen. F1 will want to avoid that controversy and look for a solution to keep Ferrari in the sport as well.
     
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  12. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    So, Ferrari could be using its joker to thwart Red Bull Powertrains.

    I wonder if the FIA will go along with that.
     
  13. DeSoto

    DeSoto F1 Veteran

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    A new entry? Red Bull Powertrains already has been racing this year and they've been braggin about how much progress have made.

    They're shameless. I'm puzzled about that only one team is complaining, specially after giving them the engine freeze because they said Honda was leaving but later didn't.
     
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  14. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    William, how many times have we heard Ferrari allegedly trying to use their veto powers??

    I've lost count already. It's an idle threat.
     
  15. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The Veto is a bit like the nuclear option: it's a gamble, and nobody knows what happens next.

    Ferrari could put its credibility at risk by using it, IMO.
     
  16. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Yes and others worry about influence of Mercedes at FIA lol. This issue with RedBull is much more important. The Ferrari veto matters. RedBull do not at all deserve special consideration. Not new and it’s still Honda. Ferrari are correct!
     
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  17. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Strategic use to force attention to this issue
     
  18. Kimi2007

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    Ferrari are 100% right on this. RBPT being treated as a new supplier is absurd. We all know they're doing research on 26' as we speak.

    There is no reason for Ferrari to roll over and allow this. They should use their veto, say 'no' to this insulting position, and triple dog dare the FIA and RBR to do the worst.

    I'll believe it when I see it, though.
     
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  19. jpalmito

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    Or could put its credibility at risk by NOT using it..
     
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  20. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    I think the Ferrari potential challenge is fair. RedBull and Honda are still tied together. Honda NEVER left. The position RedBull attains as a motor / PU maker is not new at all. Honda is there gaining knowledge. The challenge if it moves forward is valid. What the result is, will be the only question. A number of us have been talking about this here for well over a year. This is not new and Im surprised the press on it is just starting.
     
  21. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    I’ve just heard the clown Binotto is leaving! Sorry, I’m behind on this story, but it’s the best news ever! Like waking up on Christmas morning to find a brand new gift wrapped Ferrari in the garage! So good.

    Now… can Ferraris master strategists turn this positive into a mega negative by appointing another complete no hoper replacement? It’s highly likely…
     
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  22. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Why is Ferrari the only engine supplier apparently upset by this ?

    Mercedes and Renault (Alpine) haven't voiced an opinion yet, that I know of.
     
  23. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Are you surprised ?
     
  24. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    When you consider food and weather in Italy yes !;)
     
  25. furoni

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    and women, don't forget them!
     
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